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Having no friends is killing me.

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
I have no friends. I txt people and invite them out, no reply. I message people on facebook, they read the message but no reply. I try to make new friends either online or when i go out but its either no reply or they have no interest in getting to know me, i was just a person that was there, that they spoke to that they instantly forget about.

I feel like im invisable, i think about people in my life a lot, but i think they just don't think about me ever. No one ever calls me or messages me to see how i am or if they haven't spoken to me in a while.

Im a nice person, i have hobbies and interests, i try not to act depressed in front of others or give off negative vibes. But no matter what i do i have no friends, no matter how hard i try and im at a point now where i don't know what to do cos i've tried everything and failed many times. Its almost like i don't belong here.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No advice....just to say i know how you feel
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Adding on to neddys thoughts, in the same boat!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's hard to know what you can do about this. The fact that (you say) you have no friends doesn't necessarily reflect that there is anything wrong with you, it's maybe just that the circumstances haven't been right. And now that you're in this situation it's hard to start from scratch, because most other people will already have people. That doesn't mean that you can't make friends with them, just that they might not be putting as much effort into the friendship as you would like them too, at least at first, because they are not as emotionally invested as you are - they have other people to rely on too. Is it possible that you might be coming on too strong, because you want it to work out so much? Try to make sure when you invite them out that you say it casually and don't act too clingy, because that's likely to be a turn off. Also, make sure you pick people you can actually see yourself being friends with in the long run, that you actually like and not just any random person for the sake of having friends.
    Let me know if this helps at all xx
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    milou wrote: »
    The fact that (you say) you have no friends doesn't necessarily reflect that there is anything wrong with you, it's maybe just that the circumstances haven't been right.

    Feeling invisible can be very lonely and exhausting, so no wonder you feel like this.

    But it seems that the people that are currently in your life don't appreciate you.
    Meeting new people can be daunting at first, but perhaps you need a fresh start :yes:

    Have you thought about joining a new team/group/hobbie, or volunteering? You said you have tried many things, but perhaps changing the hobby completely could broaden the people you meet.

    Do you have any family that you can open up to about this?

    Samaritans are good at dealing with similar issues, so feel free to call them anonymously whenever you feel down. And do feel free to keep posting here :yes:

    Let us know how you get on *hug*
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Internet/Facebook is killing socialism.

    I feel the same way too hence why I'm on TheSite at 2am... Even though I know i should be in bed, ready for an early morning - of spending all day inside, whilst everyone is out enjoying the sun.

    You just sorta learn to do things by yourself, or great imaginary friends, they're cool.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yep, ever since facebook i've noticed everyone has become crap at friends. Too busy posting selfies and talking about their dull lives. I used to chat to my friends most evenings on msn if i wasn't doing something with them but now i can't even get a reply to a text message.

    I don't need to talk to anyone about this, that won't solve anything. I just need some friends, some people who want to be my friend. I can fix everything else in my life, hate my job i can find a new one, dont like where i live i can move. But make new friends? That relies on others to want to be my friend but so far no one does or cares about me and i don't know how to fix it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm kinda in the same place. But what I've learnt is that it's going to be harder making new friends if that's all your heading out to do, especially with this negative attitude. Instead of going out searching for friends just enjoy meeting new people and finding out about someone else. Set yourself a goal of meeting 1-2 new people each week or something. Make sure that you have some things in common otherwise it will lead to awkwardness in conversation.
    You could always look for a group of your choice to join and just plan on having a good time and being yourself.
    Message me i you want to talk, hope I help a bit x
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My problem is I don't know how to meet new people. I go to social places where people are but everyone is already in their groups of friends. Being by myself there is no way for me to chat to anyone without them feelin awkward. I just don't know what to do as there's no where suitable for a single person to meet new people I'm finding :(
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Are you into any sports? I've found recently local sports centres have clubs on e.g. 5 a side football, wall climbing, pickup badminton etc. Could be an avenue to explore?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I was and sometimes still am in the same boat. Those "friends" who never message you or constantly make you feel like they're ignoring you, ditch them completely. You'll feel better about yourself not interacting or seeing their posts on social networks (if you've added them) and then you can focus on finding new friends.

    If you're comfortable with the idea of going to a random meet up, try meetup.com. I need to take my own advice fairly soon and go to a meeting, I might in the new few weeks since I'll have time with a half term coming up so won't be in work. I can't even use work as a platform for making friends my own age because I work with people who are on average over 40, lol.

    Don't worry about it, you'll find new friends at some point. My best friends I met randomly and didn't even think we'd be friends all these years later! The advice given above is good advice, don't go out with the aim of meeting friends. Even just interacting positively will strangers will boost your confidence and eventually lead to some new friendships.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Haha Java in the same boat. Everyone at work is older for me. Us young uns tearing the place up. To give my feedback on meetup.com, I think it can work definitely but you need to take it for what it is. Its largely olderish people, in particular older singles looking for chances for romance. But I went along to the film meetup in cheltenham for about 6 months on and off and it was alright actually getting to talk to people. Didn't make any friends but if your social calendar is as bleak as mine was (the whole week = 0 social activities) it gives you something to look forward to.

    I think when trying to make friends (and this is something I've thought about a lot) its easy for people to go 'Aha, thats easy - just make more friends!' but there are certainly three 'stages' of friend making. I use these stages in work as well to determine customers from joe public as well but I find they work quite well.

    1) Acquisition. Are you simply meeting enough people, or getting to places where people are likely to be and you can meet them, are you going to the right places where people who are also looking to chat will be?

    2) Engagement/behaviour. Are you talking to people? Are your conversation skills up to scratch? Any possible 'turn offs' that might put people off?

    3) Sealing the deal. Are you chasing up with people you meet? Getting their numbers or arranging hangouts? How are we turning acquaintances into friends?

    Not that I have the solutions for all these by the way, but at least we can start to frame our own problems in the right way. We might be experiencing difficulty with all of these aspects, but being able to fence them apart and saying 'Well, on this occasions [this] happened and it was probably a problem in area number [1/2/3]'. This at least gives us small goals to work on and focus rather than feeling defeatism against the 'bottom line'. Even if we have no good friends in the next month, we can say 'Well, in June I introduced myself to 10 people, compared to May where I introduced myself to 0/1 people.' (or something). It's the small goals that we start aiming for, that start adding up to the big wins over time.

    I did mean to read through How to Win Friends and Influence People - have either of you had a look at it? It's supposed to be really good.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I text one so called friend yesterday saying
    'Hey, it'd be nice if you replied once in a while, it isn't that hard to send a text back'.
    Their reply
    'Don't try and guilt trip me, i'll reply to you if i want to'.

    And thats basically how everyone treats me, like shit and from what they wrote basically they are happy in life now so they don't have to deal with people like me.

    I've tried meetup, because i don't live in london its all womens only groups or for people in their 50s.

    I decided to pay to make my own meetup group (what a con!) but now i have the trouble of actually arranging stuff and being there and being the leader, which in my frame of mind right now i really don't want to do it.

    I actually gave my number to a girl in a pub the other day, i didn't expect her to text me, all i did was walk over, say hi, said i thought she looked cute and to give me a text sometime. Thats lame, not as lame as doing nothing but still lame enough i knew nothing would happen, and so far nothing has happened.

    I also started a new profile on okc yesterday, sent out 25 messages. So far i've had a few visitors but no replies. Guess i really am quite undesirable. I don't know what to do to fix this because as Shyboy puts, you have to rely on the other person 100% and so far that other person couldn't give a crap about me. Just feel like im going to be alone in life forever and getting REALLY down again.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You really do need to work on your self esteem. Its a natural desire to want to be around people that make you feel good, that doesn't mean you can't feel down at times and have periods when you feel crappy, but consistently saying things like "I'm undesirable" doesn't help you! The tweaking of profiles is a fine art. I'm often changing stuff on there.

    Yes that was a shitty text from your so-called friend, and I'd ignore it tbh. They obviously aren't a friend! Have you looked up local groups on Facebook? That's how I met a few of my friends.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't use facebook anymore, got fed up with the shallow self congratulatory posts about how amazing their life is or what food they are eating. What sort of groups would you look for, i've never seen any that seem to work in the way you are describing them.

    I've changed my profile a number of times on sites, still the same response, zero. I've changed what types of messages i send from generic ones others say that work to detailed highly tailored ones. I kinda get the impression people see my picture and are just turned off by it so don't even want to get to know me.

    Im a nice guy, i have hobbies, im fun, i am successful. I basically have everything except friends or anyone that cares for me.

    And that friend that text me that, shes not the first, i've had a few variations on that over the past year and whilst i've all told them to go F themselves it doesnt do anything. It doesn't make me feel better and it doesn't make them feel worse, probably makes them glad to be honest that im not longer texting them.

    When i say im undesirable its because im being honest here, thats how i feel, and i assume others see me currently. But its not something i'll say outside of this site because that would make me undesirable.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    NeoNero wrote: »
    I text one so called friend yesterday saying
    'Hey, it'd be nice if you replied once in a while, it isn't that hard to send a text back'.
    Their reply
    'Don't try and guilt trip me, i'll reply to you if i want to'.

    I just want to address this in particular. If you had texted that to me, I would have either driven to your house and slapped you, or rung you up and asked you who you think you are. I think you're lucky to have received any kind of reply because you just can't deliver what is effectively an ultimatum to people that you want to be your friends. You say people treat you like shit, and that's apparently true, but sending passive aggressive guilt trips to people is really out of line. You're working really hard, obviously, and that's great, but there's something wrong with the way you communicate sometimes.
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    Indrid ColdIndrid Cold Posts: 16,688 Skive's The Limit
    Fiend_85 wrote: »
    I just want to address this in particular. If you had texted that to me, I would have either driven to your house and slapped you, or rung you up and asked you who you think you are. I think you're lucky to have received any kind of reply because you just can't deliver what is effectively an ultimatum to people that you want to be your friends. You say people treat you like shit, and that's apparently true, but sending passive aggressive guilt trips to people is really out of line. You're working really hard, obviously, and that's great, but there's something wrong with the way you communicate sometimes.
    I have to agree with that...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So you both think that this person ignores 15 texts over 3 months is the better option? I'd rather they be honest with me, if they don't want to be my friend anymore then just say so. They were happy with me replying to them when they wanted to message me but not the other way around. I fail to see where I've gutted them at all.

    So what would you have done in my position huh? What should I have done instead?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would have ignored them or tried again. But being passive aggressive is never an attractive trait
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    Indrid ColdIndrid Cold Posts: 16,688 Skive's The Limit
    After several times and a long while that someone hadn't replied to anything, I'd understand it as the coward's way to say "Stop talking to me" and ignored them, tbh.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hmm if I'd done that to everyone who did that to me I'd have no friends... Oh wait.

    I guess I'd rather just be told up front the reason (in case ive got the wrong impression) than for someone to be a shit friend and get away with it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Then you should have been up front as well. You want courage from people you have to be courageous.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I do have two bits of advice.

    First of all, people that ignore 15 texts are not your friends. Heck, people that ignore 5 texts aren't your friend. Let them go....there is nothing to be gained by trying to stay in contact with them or getting mad with them.

    I agree with Fiend that your text was a little silly but it's also a bit rich of this person to accuse you of guilt tripping them when they have ignored you for so long and actually made it clear they don't give a **** already IMO

    Secondly, learn to enjoy your own company. It's honestly the best thing i ever did.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fiend_85 wrote: »
    Then you should have been up front as well. You want courage from people you have to be courageous.

    I'm not sure I quite get that, explain?

    Neddy I've had enough of my own company, being alone 24/7 gets dull quickly. I've always liked my own space and time but this is too much!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Photography is always a good one -
    I have done a bit of make up artistry and I found out about it through a friend but lots have just searched online and come up with it. It's more of a creative co-op but we meet up once a month ish
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    NeoNero wrote: »
    I'm not sure I quite get that, explain?

    it's simple. You want your friend to be honest. But you weren't. What you meant was something like "I'm feeling alone and isolated. I need a friend, can you help me?" But you didn't say that, you were rude instead. If you want honesty, be honest, respect, be respectful.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fiend_85 wrote: »
    it's simple. You want your friend to be honest. But you weren't. What you meant was something like "I'm feeling alone and isolated. I need a friend, can you help me?" But you didn't say that, you were rude instead. If you want honesty, be honest, respect, be respectful.

    Confused as to how what NeoNero said could be classed as "guilt tripping" but saying "I'm all alone please be my friend" isn't???

    You have accused Neo of being rude and disrespectful but his "friend" was incredibly rude and disrespectful by ignoring him in the first place so therefore doesn't really deserve respect back IMO.

    I'm not saying he was right to send that text. He should have cut that person out of his life some time ago....but you are essentially telling him to continue being nice and respectful to someone who'd been a complete dick towards him. I'm sure his first 14 texts were perfectly pleasant ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yea in all honesty if I had a friend who couldn't be bothered I would just cut them off after that point. Some people are just toxic, and will never have time for you unless they need something. Passive aggressive messages aren't going to be productive though, you just need to let go of that person at that point. But the friendship didn't fail because of the passive aggressive message, it failed because the other person wasn't interested in the friendship.

    I know how difficult that is to let them go though when you have nobody else. I've had it with friends myself. I've had friends who literally told me I was their best friend in the world when they needed me, and then completely cut me from their life afterwards. Either accept shit friends or have no friends is the catch 22. I'm eight years and counting for (any) friend from Leicester to come visit me :p. I just find it amusing now.

    Also have to echo learning to enjoy your own company. It's the first thing you can do that will have a direct impact on your happiness and something you can control completely. It's not a magic bullet and it's not a final solution. Treat your loneliness like a problem to break apart and fix. Part of the problem is lack of friends, another problem is the way you feel when you're on your own. I suspect that, like me, you may try to hold onto otherwise crap friendships because of how utterly horrible it feels being on your own. But you can get better at dealing with the isolation is all I'm saying, a small improvement to that may go a long way towards making you feel better overall.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Found this:
    One study compared the effectiveness of four interventions:
    • improving social skills,
    • enhancing social support,
    • increasing opportunities for social interaction,
    • addressing abnormal social cognition (faulty thoughts and patterns of thoughts).
    The results of the study indicated that all interventions were effective in reducing loneliness, possibly with the exception of social skill training. Results of the meta-analysis suggest that correcting maladaptive social cognition offers the best chance of reducing loneliness.[44]

    From wikipedia. It's a starting point for actionable changes. :) I'm talking to myself here as well though, as chronic loneliness is a problem that affects as many as 1 in 5 people, you shouldn't feel like you're the only one in this boat. In the Nordic countries it's almost endemic now with social isolation and loneliness being big social policy issues. It's a cultural thing there as well as people don't really 'talk' with strangers, so as soon as you are outside of a social circle = no more social inclusion.

    I'm actually shocked there isn't more support out there given how big an issue it is and how it can affect quality of life. Now that the majority of our generation aren't church goers there's a huge void in the social calendar for getting out there and interacting. And like you've found (and I have as well) meetup.com isn't a brilliant solution as-is.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Neddy wrote: »
    Confused as to how what NeoNero said could be classed as "guilt tripping" but saying "I'm all alone please be my friend" isn't???

    You have accused Neo of being rude and disrespectful but his "friend" was incredibly rude and disrespectful by ignoring him in the first place so therefore doesn't really deserve respect back IMO.

    I'm not saying he was right to send that text. He should have cut that person out of his life some time ago....but you are essentially telling him to continue being nice and respectful to someone who'd been a complete dick towards him. I'm sure his first 14 texts were perfectly pleasant ;)

    Ok, that's all fine and whatever. But there are two options, that come down to the choice "do I want this person as a friend". If no, be a tool, if yes, be the bigger person.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fiend_85 wrote: »
    Ok, that's all fine and whatever. But there are two options, that come down to the choice "do I want this person as a friend". If no, be a tool, if yes, be the bigger person.

    I think part of the problem is that when struggling with social confidence (talking for myself here, not sure if Neo will feel the same) you 'cling' to bad friendships because the alternative is crap. It's like people who are in a shit relationship who stay in it because they're worried being single will be worse...

    It's not the best course of action though, agreed. We're all tools sometimes.
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