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Homeopathic Therapy v ADs?
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I'll probably post another thread going more in depth about the events of last night and what happened after school today, but long story short - got myself in such a state last night and then after school I just broke down and was talking to my mentor and then we went to talk to the head of child protection or whatever she is..
Anyway, she was saying if I had ever thought about homeopathic therapy? She breifly explained it to me but I'm a bit confused about what it actually is?
Well she said I should try that because if I went to the doctors they would just give me anti-depressants...
So has anyone had any experience with Homeopathic Therapy? When she was explaining it to me it sounded like placebo... but it's not? Completely threw me - but if anyone has any experience or extra info on homeopathic therapy or ADs could you help me out?
Thank you
Anyway, she was saying if I had ever thought about homeopathic therapy? She breifly explained it to me but I'm a bit confused about what it actually is?
Well she said I should try that because if I went to the doctors they would just give me anti-depressants...
So has anyone had any experience with Homeopathic Therapy? When she was explaining it to me it sounded like placebo... but it's not? Completely threw me - but if anyone has any experience or extra info on homeopathic therapy or ADs could you help me out?
Thank you
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They can't force you take anything or stop you taking homeopathic remedies but they do have the information you're after. They are also well-placed to refer you to therapy which is really important because medication isn't a cure it just acts as a stabiliser.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0Z7KeNCi7g
This.
Not a single double-blind study about the effectiveness of homeopathic medication has passed EVER. The evidence that it's completely garbage is overwhelming and there is no sign that it does actually work. The only thing this is still alive is because people apparently still believe in it.
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Man, it isn't really that great that she said all of this to you.... Especially the bit about if you went to the doctors they would just give you ADs. You're under 18 right? So if you did see a doctor about depression they *should* provide you with some sort of therapy.
The NICE guidelines (which are some guidelines that doctors and healthcare professionals are meant to follow) for depression in young people say these three things (well a lot more but yeah...):
I really think that visiting your GP would be a good step
Your GP will offer more than just ADs so it's worth talking to them.
When she was explaining it to me I was like... right?
But she said research into it further so I have, and I can use all these to back up why I'm not going. I looked at prices and it's £75 for consultation.. Which isn't happening if they're going to give me basicly water...
Thank you for the information guys
Will try and see my gp... Just see how things go
Great
When you go, it can help to have things written down so that you don't forget anything you really wanted to mention.
Don't underestimate the placebo effect. Other than that, homeopathy is a load of rubbish.
But then a lot of people think ADs are too.
My view isnt popular on this forum, so am expecting a backlash of course
there are also other natural remedies for depression that you may find interesting if you would rather go down that route than conventional antidepressants. Namely 5HTP (I and many others have had amazing results with this supplement), St Johns wort, Omega 3 supplements, regular exercise, sunlight and sometimes something as simple as a multivitamin and mineral supplement with iron. All these CAN have great effects without some of the less desirable side effects of conventional Anti-Ds, especially if combined with talking therapy/counselling so i think its good to explore them first if you can, but also, there are a lot of people who respond best of all to conventional antidepressants, and these are of course available on the NHS, so cheaper for you
What's worse is that it's publicly funded via the NHS.
It's dangerous shit. I saw a travel program where parents were giving their kids homeopathic malaria tablets.
It's really worrying shit. This kind of stuff makes me seriously worry about going to see a GP about health issues that I have. I've got a fucked shoulder that needs sorting, but I've put off going to the GP until I've done my own research into which treatments are likely bunk and which are proven to work.
Also noones forcing you to take homeopathic malaria medicine, or any medicine, and its generally a parents right what they do and dont medicate their child with. No need to start saying its the fault of homepathy because some people who use it take risks. The vast vast majority of people who use the odd homeopathic remedy are just normal people who want to try something more natural, and often have good results, whether or not you want to believe it, but of course would turn to conventional medicine if they needed to
Not to be a wet blanket, but parents have been rightfully sentenced to negligient manslaughter giving their child homeopathic medicine for serious sicknesses like pneumonia, who then surprisingly died.
And since it IS only water or milk sugar globuli (some of the dilution factors equal a liter of medicine diluted to a volume as big as the entire universe, and no, I am neither exaggerating nor making this up), with no trace amount of the medicine, it is impossible that it works. The "good results" are either placebo or the immune system just fighting off the disease by itself, and it has been proven over and over again.
I would hardly call giving a child homoeopathic medicine "neglect". It would also have to be proved beyond reasonable doubt that the child would've survived if they were given other medicine.
I HAVE had good effects from homeopathy on myself and on my children and am convinced it wasnt placebo, and know a lot of other people who have had good effects from it too. I understand that scientifically it shouldnt work, but there are a lot of things that dont make sense in the world yet. That doesnt make it rubbish, and its arrogant to assume so.
Found a typo in my post. I meant "pneumonia". and yes, Pneumonia is very easily cured with anti-biotics, but is life threatening when not treated.
It is possible to have a vegan lifestyle, but it is neglect when the parents give a child in development only nuts and seeds and stuff like that to eat, and having their own child die of malnutrition, because they "believe" in it. But any kind of approach to cure a serious disease with homeopathy, and therefore wasting valueable time, where the patient could receive actual working medicine is careless and negligent to me. The difference with antidepressants is, they are clinically tried and have shown effect, something homeopathy has absolutely never ever in any of dozen independently studies. Actually I remember reading that not even studies conducted by homeopathists gave conclusive results.
Tell you what, since the ocean has probably dissolved probably every kind of medicine or just about everything in a teeny weeny bit, I suggest next time you just take a sip of sea water, because you can save some money there.
What kind of good results are you talking anyway? Did a caugh or a stuffy nose go away after a week or so, after taking homeopathic medication? I just boggles my mind how any literate person who can tie one's own shoelaces can believe in homeopathy.
Im assuming if it was the placebo effect, then the first thing i tried would have worked.
# had a severe allergic reaction on my face where it all swelled up and went crusty, went to the doctors, got steroid cream, antihistamines etc, nothing worked and it was horrendous. My boyfriends nana suggested the remedy Apis Mel, and within 12 hours the swelling went down.
# my son had the skin condition Molloscum. Horrible warty things on his torso. The doctors said there is nothing they can do, and it will go away in about 18 months. I saw a friend who said she had seen a homeopath when her daughter got it, and it cleared up really quickly. So i googled remedies, tried one, didnt work, tried another, didnt work. Went to see a proper homeopath, who asked him lots of questions about his temperament, likes dislikes to determine what sort of remedy would suit him best. She settled on the remedy nat Mur. by the next day, most of the warts had gone, and within 3 days they had all disappeared.
I told my friend whos child had the condition too, and she went to the same homeopath and her daughters cleared up in a day.
So there. I agree, its weird and shouldnt work, but for some reason, it often does, but it doesnt do well in scientific tests, and i understand that, because unlike conventional medicine, its not one cure that works for everyone, its more of a holistic treatment. I fail to see how i and two friends can cure our young childrens skin conditions as some sort of placebo by proxy, so quickly and effectively.
Oh and the remedy chamomilla is great for soothing upset babies. Thats another one ive used a lot
There's no reason that can't be tested scientifically. Unfortunately, the evidence doesn't back up your experiences on a wider scale.
When my grandmother had was alive, the doctors gave her less than 6 months to live. She lived for a further two years. No alternative medicine, yet if she had taken some, no doubt some would have attributed that to the medicine. Which isn't to say there aren't plenty of natural remedies out there, just that in most cases, the active ingredients have already been turned into proper drugs. The only thing that these anecdotes prove is that doctors aren't psychic. They don't really know how long something will take to clear up, they can only have an educated guess based on prior experience.
If you feel it works for you, and you're willing to spend the money, then fine. But there's a difference between that and recommending it for someone else when they're asking for advice about a medical problem for which there are plenty of medically proven treatments.
The homeopathic "remedy" or the actual plant product? Because no-one is doubting the existence of naturally occurring remedies.
hey im not trying to say anyone else should use it if theyre not interested. Totally up to you, but being closed minded is noone elses loss but your own. Im just telling you my experience
Of course, if you feel it works for you, keep spending your money. But I would say exactly the same thing about psychics and faith healers too, and would still oppose anyone making false claims about their effectiveness to others.
This.
"I'd need proper evidence before accepting that proposition as likely true".
"Stop being so closed-minded".
Generally I take the view that "alternative medicine" that works is simply called "medicine". Data is not the plural of anecdote, but I do also retain a healthy skepticism for a lot of "clinical trials", given how many research units are funded by the big PharmaCos (the independence of studies out of Durham University, as an example, is diluted by the amount of funding the University receives from such notable organisations as GlaxoSmithKline and British American Tobacco). I think homeopathy can work, and that's there's a commercial interest in finding that it doesn't, but it certainly doesn't work as well as homeopaths would like to claim. There's a lot of bull and double-bull when it comes to medicine.
At least we can agree that chiropractic is a load of bunkum (unless you actually DO have back pain).
I have much less interest in converting people to the wonders of homeopathy, than people seem to have for telling me what ive experienced didnt really happen because it doesnt match up with some commercial research that theyve seen that they probably didnt even understand either
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/15/homeopathy-works-scientific-evidence