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has it just been cervical cancer?
There are two types of genetic changes or mutations:
those that are passed down from generation to generation (germline mutations)
those that happen during the lifetime of a person and are not passed on to the next generation (somatic mutations).
somatic gene changes, only happens later on in life. Scientists are not sure what causes these genetic changes, but factors such as radiation or the exposure to dangerous chemicals (for example, through smoking) can play a part.
We have to decide by tuesday.
We got a letter and a booklet about it, which I have read. And that tells you pretty much everything- but it's all written as a pro, and they don't give any cons. Apart from that there may be possible side affects.
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:yes: Animal testing and all aswell, I've written to the vegan socitey about it all. They emailed me this morning, I posted it some where.
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But I wont have animal produce in or on my body.
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:yes: As I have said before, if I got cancer I would wish to just die. And wouldn't take medicane. In fact, I'd probaly kill myself before I did die of cancer because it's a horrible illness to have.
But no, I wouldn't take the medicane
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is animal testing involved? i thought the whole point of cell culture is to use less 'animal' because they would have to kill one cow and take the foetus and use that to get the right growth factors to grow the cells. And then do cell lines frim that so they can grow as much as they need although i suppose mammalian cells can only differentiate so many times...or i'm i on the totally wrong path? lol
(one thing that does annoy me is the whole animal rights people that say use cell culture as it doesn't involve animal...when it clearly does - but thats a different thread)
That one is my fault i think, i didn't research it, and said it was because i know thats the case for most vaccines, so i just assumed but might not be the case for this one
EDIT: In many countries it is a legal requirement that all drugs and vaccines (not just for HIV) are tested on animals to ensure safety. In the United Kingdom for example, the Medicines Act of 1968 1 states that all new pharmaceutical products must be tested on at least two different species of live mammal, one of which must be a large non-rodent
http://www.avert.org/hiv-animal-testing.htm#
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_culture <--- cell culture.
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I was interested so I found http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/ResourcesForYou/Consumers/ucm143534.htm (sorry I don't know the UK guidelines) but it appears that for any medication to be approved by the FDA it first must pass the preclinical tests which are done on animals.
Investigational New Drug Application (IND)--The pharmaceutical industry sometimes provides advice to the FDA prior to submission of an IND. Sponsors--companies, research institutions, and other organizations that take responsibility for developing a drug--must show the FDA results of preclinical testing they've done in laboratory animals and what they propose to do for human testing. At this stage, the FDA decides whether it is reasonably safe for the company to move forward with testing the drug in humans.
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oh god thats awful :no:
I think you would be silly not to have it done as you are already highly at risk. You might be vegan now but you might not be vegan forever, but you will be too old to have the vaccine. We always think that what we believe now is what we will always believe but as we learn more about life we realise that isn't always the case.
When i was twelve i had a very unhappy family environment that i truely believed was all my fault and i was a horrible person and nothing would convince me otherwise, now i'm older i don't believe that anymore, but the damage still remains. Take from that what you will, but don't think you won't regret/always think what you do presently.
I will be, I think eating meat and using animal produce is awful. But we're not getting into that again! (see the thread "vegetarian")
So, I will be vegan forever, and I know that.
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So I grow up this way. And even if I go back to being veggie, I wouldn't have vaccines because of animal testing.
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Hold.On.One. Seconded. Why does every body doubt my ability to stay vegan?
Vegetarianism was how I was raised, and I was vegan as a baby.
Trust me on this- I will never eat meat or fish. And if I do, I give you premision to cut of my arms and legs.
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Another thing to consider is that being vaccinated doesn't just protect you, it protects others you might infect. For example with many people now refusing the MMR vaccine, they are much more likely to catch a disease like measles or mumps and pass it on to others. The overall effect of this is the diseases spread more rapidly in the population.
And yes, I do feel bad about them, and my mum says that if it was just up to her then I wouldn't of had them. I think I needed one of them to get into pre-school.
Anyway, I've made my choice. I'm not having them. Thanks for all your views
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exactly my point.
About the whole sexually active thing... I could be wrong but this is my understanding of it.
It is given to girls at a young age because its been proven to work best that way, and also it is less likely they will have been sexually active. But still... just because someone has been sexually active doesn't mean there is no point getting it. (Otherwise why would they be bothering to do a catch up programme with 17/18 yr olds getting it)
The HPV virus can cause some types of cervical cancer... (aswell as other stuff) and is passed on through sexual contact. And yeah... its not like just because you've suddenly had sex the vaccine doesn't work. Its simply might be less likely to work because you might have contracted one of the strains of HPV already. But you might not... and there are several types anyway. Sooo yeah. :thumb: