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Plus as other ppl suggested i could see ppl going for less pleasant options were this to happen due to cheapness/form of protest, which'd be rather grim.
Me too
"You pays your moneys and you takes yer choices!"
I agree with the general thing you're saying, but you're missing the point. Nobody goes to McDonald's for the service, or anything like that, they go because it's cheap and it's fast. When you are running a business as a price leader and cutting costs everywhere, as part of your business strategy to place yourself at the cheap end of the market, all these essentials that you would consider in a more typical business strategy go out the window.
Consider a racing car. Out goes the concepts of central heating, AC, radio etc. - in fact all the interior is gutted completely. Then reinforcing struts may be put in, with a quicker gear shift system and more direct steering. It's all about taking this vehicle and focusing it so precisely on what it needs to do.
What you're arguing, is that even if it is a racing car, it's just 'wrong' for it to not have a catalytic convertor on the end. As it is, Ryanair do currently allow people to use the toilets, so I think from watching the video it is more of a throw away comment. But you can hate them all they like but vote with your wallet. If you want a plane service with the extra bits, you don't pay for a no-thrills flight. Simple as really.
Eloquently put, dear boy. :yes:
Though that's beside the point. Frankly I find it rather sad and puzzling that some people appear so willing to be humiliated and treated like shit by greedy businesses- all in the name of capitalism.
Truly it is a corrupting, dehumanising system.
Well, if enough people object by choosing not to fly with Ryanair, then there won't be any dropped routes.
The fact that people still fly Ryanair even under very basic conditions implies that the vast majority of people are not affected by them as you are, and value the cheap tickets more than the conditions. Once again, if you don't like 'em, don't fly 'em.
I could understand (though certainly not condone) if you and the others who seem quite content with such proposals were chairmen of companies yourselves, and were defending your right to do what you want. But to defend such despicable acts as a consumer? To willingly accept naked greed-motivated actions that dehumanise and diserspect a person, all apparently in the name of capitalism? How fucked up is that? You might as well be a turkey voting for Christmas.
Capitalism. Dontcha love it!
I pity people who do not go through the online booking form properly as you can avoid so many charges that way.
The charge that reallyannoys me is for using a debit card to book - I don't mid paying up to £1.50 but I think last time I booked it was £4.50 each way! Free though if using Electron.
Apart from a lot of the charges, I have had many good expereinces with Ryanair - mind you I only use them for very short flights!
The various stealth fee's are annoying and totally out of proportion - we just paid £4.50p to book a £350 return flight with Virgin Airlines using a Credit Card but that's less then 1% of the total ticket price. RyanAir will happily charge you that each way on a £10 flight. Virgin did offer no charges on a Debit card though. But with the added protection, cashbacks and travel insurance offered by paying with the credit card it was worth the extra £4.50p
Toilet charges onboard a plane are morally wrong to me and I think the various airline bodies need to step in to make it illegal to charge to use a toilet on a plane.
I actually agree from a health and safety perspective with you that humans have basic needs, just like with my racing car analogy you would have to wear a seatbelt heh.
However, I still think Aladdin is missing the point in a sense. If you are a business that is a price leader then you are always going to be looking for ways to cut prices. It's not unethical it's important. The government and the aviation authorities are there to stop things when they go too far, but before low cost airlines not so many people could afford air travel. It's this whole thing about economic efficiency that makes capitalism work.
The company wants to increase profits, and so with this particular strategy they want to cut costs and increase sales. They will be relentless in doing so, cutting every cost they can feasibly justify. Consumers want to pay less, and so they will buy the cheapest seats. If there were two seats, one that cost £3 and one that cost £4, but the £3 had no toilet access then some people would choose to buy the £3 one anyway.
In a free market economy that should be someones choice. Although, I agree with DG that they should be compelled to provide toilets, as it is a health and safety / sanitary requirement. It's different from driving 100 miles in a car, because if you get the runs you can pull over and go find a bush.
I think it's his obligation as the company's director to continue to explore new ways of cutting costs, because that is the company strategy. Look at McDonalds express queues where they cut down your service in order to serve you faster. McDonalds customers are happy because their criteria (speed + price) is improved and the owners are happy because their criteria (lower costs) is improved.
What you're arguing about is you don't like the choices other people make, but at the end of the day is someone is happy to accept certain conditions on the premise they pay less, why is that your business? As long as basic sanitation and such is met then that's their choice surely?
The Burger King near me charges 50p to use the toilet.
£1 for the loo is tight as fuck, but that's about it. I'd much rather then not be able to advertise flights for £1 when they're clearly not, and to have to disclose all the stealth costs also.
It's a slippery slope. It's a capitulation to amoral greed. And more worryingly, it's a message to other businesses that they can actually get away with what, until now, would have been considered unethical and completely unacceptable.
Because as such things usually tend to work out, if Ryanair did it and got away with it without too much fuss, other airlines would start considering. Ryanair were the utter cunts that (if I have it right) introduced the concept that passengers so selfish and irresponsible as having luggage with them should be *charged* for it. Ryanair customers, whether because of short-sightedness or mental apathy, continued using the airline without fuss. As a result most low cost airlines have now adopted the policy and charge money for checked-in luggage.
Such move would have been thought unthinkable only 15 years ago. Of course it is normal and expected people on a trip will have fucking luggage with them. Of course it is unacceptable and disgusting that every single aspect of transportation that until now was included in the ticket is now being billed as extra. What next? Make passengers stand?
Perhaps McDonalds needs to start charging £1 for straws, 50p for a plastic cup (bring your own if you don't want to be charged!) or £1.50 for the rental of a tray. Maybe then the ethics of savage capitalism and profit above everything else will become clearer.
Life and business should not be about generating the maximum about of profits possible at all costs and fuck everyone in the process. if it is, then frankly we should not want to be part of such nauseating way of life.
How did these people travel BEFORE Ryanair? If they can't afford it, they will find an alternative route - or they'll just shut up, accept that they are still paying for a cheaper flight WITH the toilet surcharge, and travel in the manner for which they were aware before they paid.
By the way, I don't agree with the toilet surcharge but if I don't like it, I'll fly with someone else.
The key words here are 'low cost'. Budget airlines have to do something to keep their costs down, it doesn't just magically happen. Reduced fare - reduced service. It's a simple as that
You're thinking about it the wrong way round - customers aren't penalised for taking luggage, actually the ones who don't bring luggage get a discount. If that rule wasn't in place, all the tickets would cost the same as for those who bring luggage
The point has been made many times, toilets in many places cost - train stations, shopping centres, even burger king (so your earlier point is well and truly shat on). How are airplanes any different?
A low cost airline does not need to charge for luggage or toilets to make a profit. That has been proved extensively, by Ryanair as much as everyone else.
I have no doubts that if in a few years time Ryanair started to make passengers stand, you'd be here telling us it's the only way for low cost airlines to make a profit as well.
Regardless of the way it is shown on the website, the point remains that the £1 ticket suddenly becomes £13 (or whatever it is) the moment it is established you are bringing luggage with you. Customers are being penalised for having luggage with them- something that is an essential part of anyone's trip that's longer than a couple of days.
They aren't. And in every other business, companies ABSORB the cost of having and running toilets. And they turn very nice profits too.
Ryanair does not need to charge for toilets or even for luggage to make a profit (and a very nice one it made before all those charges too). That is the bottom line. The charges are prompted by naked greed, not by an elemental need to balance the books and turn a profit.
One time I flew I was very ill and had to keep going to the toilet to be sick. If I was going to be charged £1 per puke, I would have just done it in a sick bag and all the other passengers would have to see/smell it.
I don't like budget airlines. When I flew out here, I could have come with easyjet for cheaper but I chose to fly Turkish Airlines because for a longer flight it's so much nicer to be with a regular airline that provides you with a meal and wine and entertainment. Plus, my luggage was quite a bit over the allowance but the checkin woman was nice and didn't charge me. That wouldn't happen with a budget airline.
Then choose not to fly Ryanair/budget airlines.
Oh what a surprise! You chose not to fly Ryanair/budget airlines. D'oh! That was simple, huh?