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Jewish settlers attack Palestinians
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Fucking sick cowardly bastards.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7451691.stm
I just wish I could honestly go over there and give them a taste of their own medicine
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7451691.stm
I just wish I could honestly go over there and give them a taste of their own medicine
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For as long as a single one remain peace will be impossible.
Wtf are you on about? are you talking to me?
He said "Jewish settlers" not "all Jews" or "every Jewish settler".
It's like Hitler blamed all the failing of Germany on the Jews, so people hated them. Israel blames everything on the Palestinians, so people hate them.
A scapegoat means you don't have to realise it is your own fault - something people hate doing. Give them a scapegoat, and they will destroy the scapegoat.
Rubbish. It has everything to with them being Jewish.
It was founded as a Jewish state so I see no problem with using that particular terminology.
If? Since when did they stop being a race then
I'm sure you understand.
Is that the anti-Palestinian stance that gives Arabs Israeli citizenship and treats Palestinians in Israeli hospitals, and allows humanitarian aid into Gaza even while Palestinians attack the crossing points, or the anti-Palestinian stance that tries to stop Palestinian terrorists killing innocent Israeli civilians?
This is certainly the case with Hamas, atleast, who teach and believe that Jews were behind the French and Russian revolutions, and both world wars - basically that everywhere in the world where there is a problem, there is a Jew.
If the clip shows what it purports to show, then I sincerely hope that those responsible are caught and punished. But let's not pretend that the Israeli government or the majority of Israeli citizens support or condone such acts.
Yes, and the Israeli's never kill innocent Palestinians, they don't fire off artillery at refugee camps for people who's land they stole in the first place, as if that wasn't bad enough. Yes, the cases you mention are real, but they are NOT the majority at all.
The majority of citizens, I hope, and beleive, do not. There are many citizens fed up with the government and it' anti-Palestinian stance. Let us not forget how much land Israel is illegally occupying and has settled - something they never get condemed for - and yet Saddam got his arse kicked for occupying Kuwait in '91, and China is condemed for occupying Tibet - with talk of people boycotting the Olympics.
Double standards by the world much?
Oh really?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7296750.stm
No, I think he was referring to the anti-Palestinian stance that has illegally occupied the land of the Palestinians, forcibly displaced more than a million of them, and subjected the rest to decades of unspeakable abuse, opression and killings.
Giving Arabs Israeli citizenships and treating them like normal Israelis are two totally different things. Arabs in Israel suffer discrimination at various levels of society. Also, why should the whole people of Gaza suffer for the actions of a few?
:rolleyes: Jews are not - and never have been a race. Given that there are Ethiopian Jews, Sephardi Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, Indian Cochin and Dasi Jews - and people of all different races have converted to Judaism, talking of Jews as a race makes absolutely no sense... Converts are eligible to emigrate to Israel under the Law of Return and the Torah is also clear that converts are equal.
This attack by settlers is obviously outrageous. I'm sure an investigation will follow and hopefully those behind it are punished. There are lunatic Israeli settlers committed to violence - the fundamentalist that assassinated Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin is the most famous... And on the Palestinian side - Hamas and Islamic Jihad through repeated suicide bombs and missile attacks have brought misery, murder and fear.
Arab citizens in Israel worship freely in their own mosques, have their own political parties (and representation in the Knesset) and have the same legal rights as any other Israeli. Find me an Arab state where Jews have freedom of religion and similar political freedoms... Things have been so bad in much of the Arab world for many Jews that they've fled.
The Israeli government does not set out to kill as many innocent civilians as it can, Hamas does.
Various UN resolutions have condemned them for the settlements and the occupation. The UK teachers' union boycotted Israeli professors and universities in the past, and the University and College Union are considering another boycott of Israeli universities.
Feel free to post a link to back those assertions up.
Yes, and the article you've linked to says just that.
Lands which were occupied while they were under attack, and are still occupied because they are still under attack. The reasons for the exodus (if that's what you're referring to) are debateable. The Palestinians have been subjected to oppressions because they have continued in their vile hate-filled attempt to destroy Israel from its inception.
Yet it kills more.
It's Ok because they do mean to?
The state of Israel in it's entirety is taken land.
More land continues to be taken with the wall. Palestian homes are still being bulldozed, and new illegal Jewish settlements continue to grow.
And as for marriage laws, I got it slightly wrong. There is no law that forbids Israelis from marrying Palestinians. It simply forbids the filthy little Arabs from living together with their spouses in Israel. As racist and nauseating a law as they come
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/racist-marriage-law-upheld-by-israel-478291.html
Really? I was reading about horrendous hardships brought over by the blockade, and gravely ill citizens being denied access to live-saving treatment.
There are plenty more links if you care to look as well. They detail the appalling, disgusting sub-existence the Palestinians are being put through by the Israeli blockade:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/12/israelandthepalestinians.unitednations
Of course, regardless of the actual impact, the point remains that the blockaded amounts to collective punishment. A tactic forbidden by international law and morally repugnant. Interestingly it was a popular tactic of the Third Reich. Who would have thought that the people who were the victims of the worst case of persecution in history would only a generation or two later be copying some of the actions of their aggressors and apply them to others….
Bollocks. Other than arguably the Golan Heights, the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza has nothing to do with “defending themselves” and everything with land grabs. You know it as well as everybody else. That really doesn’t wash.
Of course they are not, but that doesnt stop them being protected by the Race Relations Act in the UK.
As for the issue itself, is anyone at all surprised? The majority of the 'native' Israelis are moderates but the settlers are by the very nature more extreme and are far more likely to have similar views in reality to Hamas.
They're as much a race as any other racial group, as arbitrary as that term is anyway. People of the Jewish race are known to have different rates of certain genetic conditions, for example, in exactly the same way as other racial groups, caused by centuries of isolated breeding. If you're willing to use the term "race" to seperate people, then you have to accept Jewish people as a specific race.
Yes and no. Yes all 'race' divisions are totally arbitary and the whole system is completely stupid, but I cant convert myself into a black person, but I can convert into a Jew.
I think that's mainly because anti-Semites tend to view Judaism as a race.
As far as a lot of Israelis are concerned settlers are a nuisance... even a lot of Israeli soldiers hate them. Alan Dershowitz - one of the most vocal defenders of Israel in America, is against Israeli settlements... Unfortunately, Olmert isn't strong enough politically to be able to bring about withdrawals from the bulk of the West Bank.
Er - no they're not.
No, being a jew is about your religion and nothing else, to suggest they are a seperate race is just plain stupid.
I think I'd take the word of the Torah over a nutter... The Torah, as any Rabbi would tell you is pretty clear that converts and born-Jews are equal.
True of Orthodox Judaism but not of Reform and Liberal Judaism. And Reform is the biggest denomination in America.
See here...
It's not difficult to google stuff - I wish people bothered to do some basic research before presenting all sorts of assumptions as fact.