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Tories to ban lesbians from IVF treatment if 'father figure' not present
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/may/13/stemcells.medicalresearch?gusrc=rss&feed=uknewsLesbian couples should be blocked from having IVF treatment unless they agree that a father figure would be involved in the upbringing of their child, the Tories said yesterday.
In a sign of David Cameron's determination to campaign for traditional parenting, the Tories challenged the government to guarantee that couples seeking IVF treatment would have a "male role model" for their child.
So for those who might have been tempted to vote Tory at the next election, a reminder that far from a viable alternative to Labour that has become modern and moderate party, they remain the same bunch of cunts as always.
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Exactly, as those of you who listened to Today in Parliment last night on Radio 4 will know. The 'need for a father' is in the current guidelines the Tories want to put them in the law itself, I personally cant see why given the IVF treatment people have to follow the guidelines.
It would actually weaken it by changing it from 'the need for a father' to a 'male role model'.
The bill as a whole is pretty grotesque, to say that the government has 'lost the plot' is an understatement.
This is all the more worrying because as things look at the moment the Tory Party does not need to appease the Right- they appear to count with the support of mainstream voters which would be more than plenty to win them the next election.
The Tories were ridiculed for this in Parliment, they were asked how a doctor is supposed to know whether Uncle Fred really is committed to the baby.
The Tory party never changed; they've just kept shtum while watching the media destroy Labour, and Labour destroy themselves. (Call Me) Dave Cameron occasionally tries to chip in with some ridiculous policy (e.g. Hugging Hoodies, £20 to married couple etc.) in a vain attempt to prove that The Tories have changed, but they have to be careful not to draw too much attention to policies as they'd be soon exposed as the same fuckers they've always been.
The problem with this country - and two party politics, in general - is that people think "i don't like Labour any more, so i must like The Tories (or visa-versa)". It's head-slappingly ridiculous. Still, as has been stated before, opposition parties don't win elections the party in power loses them.
ON Topic: "traditional parenting" - There isn't an emoticon that comes anywhere close to showing the despair, amusement and anger that shit like inspires in me.
they can't have IVF.
Yes they can. A friends brother in law had it as he had a really low sperm count, but his partners eggs were fine so they had IVF to help her conceive.
yeah, low success rate
a gay man had eggs? wtf?
so, where isthe gay man who had IVF then?
:yes: Completely.
No it's not. If 2 gay men want a biological child with a woman and both of them have low sperm count (or whatever reason they can't conceive through sex) then they can make use of IVF.
doh!
My personal view of this is that children need to have two parents. I don't especially care what gender they are, to be frank, as long as there's two of them. Regardless of what sex the parents are, children need male and female role models in their lives, and they need to come from somewhere or other. It doesn't necessarily have to be a father, it can be a brother, uncle, cousin, close confidante of the family... whatever. As long as there's somebody.
I'm not saying you're wrong, at all, it's just very interesting.
And I'm sorry, but it's bullshit to say that you have to know the identity of the father to receive IVF (mentioned in this article is just patronising.
Can single women have IVF?
In my experience, most of the children I have met of lesbian couples seem very happy and well-adjusted. This is probably because lesbian (gay) couples consider a child a priviledge rather than a right, and concentrate on being the best parents that they can be.
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I don't think that children need a father figure either, apart from the fact that they may be picked on for not having a Daddy.
I think that it is far more to do with having a loving family who listens, nurtures and disciplines. I don't see how it makes any difference if the child has same sex parents, than if the child has parents who are from two different ethnic groups.