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5 things to change about the UK

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote: »
    Christ, we bought Glitter back to save him from a death penalty he fully deserved. That was a real bad move. I wanted to watch him get shot by the NVA, it would have been a truely momentous occasion.
    He never seriously faced the death penalty. Don't believe everything you read in the newspapers. The charged that could have resulted in the death penalty were dropped before they even got to court because of lack of evidence. He was convicted for 3 years and forced to pay compensation, and got 3 months knocked off on appeal.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    He never seriously faced the death penalty. Don't believe everything you read in the newspapers. The charged that could have resulted in the death penalty were dropped before they even got to court because of lack of evidence. He was convicted for 3 years and forced to pay compensation, and got 3 months knocked off on appeal.

    I was hoping like hell he would die though. ;(

    And since when did the fucking Vietnamese care about lack of evidence?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    3. Home & Foreign Policy: Introduce PR in the electoral system; ban the BNP and all fascist/racist political parties thereafter; pull out of Nato, Afghanistan and Iraq; stop selling weapons to brutal regimes, and stop sucking Uncle Sam's cock for no benefit gained whatsoever; embrace the fact that we are Europeans, and should be happy to be so; counter the decades long campaign of hate and lies by the right wing press regarding the EU

    How would you go about countering the "hate and lies" about the EU exactly?
    4. Education: Replace all religious education for children at school or home with a 'history of religions and their influence on mankind' subject

    Replace religious education for children at home? Does that mean you'd have government officials invading people's homes to re-educate children?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spliffie wrote: »
    Aladdin wrote: »



    How would you go about countering the "hate and lies" about the EU exactly?

    Well you could tell the truth - only problem with that is that if you tell the truth you're going to actually increase the hate
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

    Well you could tell the truth - only problem with that is that if you tell the truth you're going to actually increase the hate

    Haha. I think what Aladdin really means is that anyone who disagrees with him should be silenced or shouted down - with lies, if necessary.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My 5 things to change -

    1. Withdrawal from the EU.
    2. Introducing a written constitution guaranteeing radical liberties such as absolute freedom of speech and the right to intoxicate yourself with whatever you please.
    3. Efforts to remove entrenched ideology from academia.
    4. Introduction of frequent referenda where possible.
    5. Financial incentives for those of high intelligence to have large families.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spliffie wrote: »

    Well you could tell the truth - only problem with that is that if you tell the truth you're going to actually increase the hate

    Truth is a very funny word though, if you think about how it is used politically. Everyone seems to believe their own 'truth'. I think the way things work where we had different ideas arguing from different camps seems to work for the most part, because there is no silence to any one voice so every idea gets heard and in theory the ones that make sense prevail.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spliffie wrote: »
    5. Financial incentives for those of high intelligence to have large families.
    Extremely contentious. Does this mean that, when a couple wants to start a family, they need to visit some government department in order to do intelligence tests? And how do you assess what counts as "high intelligence" anyway? Does this mean that anyone who isn't a member of Mensa can't have kids?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    They should stop the inteligent from breeding.
    Thick people couldn't have gotten this world in such a mess ...you need a degree for that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    They should stop the inteligent from breeding.
    Thick people couldn't have gotten this world in such a mess ...you need a degree for that.
    Almost every Prime Minister this country has had since 1900 has been educated at either Cambridge or Oxford universities. And in nearly every case, just look at how crap they were at running a government. Perhaps we should have someone with no academic qualifications at all running the country for once. That's not to say that those who don't excel academically are stupid - far from it. But could they honestly do a worse job than the lot in charge now?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    Almost every Prime Minister this country has had since 1900 has been educated at either Cambridge or Oxford universities. And in nearly every case, just look at how crap they were at running a government. Perhaps we should have someone with no academic qualifications at all running the country for once. That's not to say that those who don't excel academically are stupid - far from it. But could they honestly do a worse job than the lot in charge now?

    Dennis skinner for leader!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    Almost every Prime Minister this country has had since 1900 has been educated at either Cambridge or Oxford universities. And in nearly every case, just look at how crap they were at running a government. Perhaps we should have someone with no academic qualifications at all running the country for once. That's not to say that those who don't excel academically are stupid - far from it. But could they honestly do a worse job than the lot in charge now?
    George Bush? Ronald Reagan? I guess you have a choice. An extremely intelligent leader who's capable of getting the results they want (Hitler), an unintelligent leader who gets pushed around by anyone with an agenda (Bush), or someone between the two (most UK PMs). I think it's possible to be both highly intelligent and good though. Thomas Jefferson, for example. Although, perhaps the key point in that instance is that Jefferson shared the power. Incidentally, did you know that Einstein was offered the presidency of Israel, but turned it down?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    George Bush? Ronald Reagan? I guess you have a choice. An extremely intelligent leader who's capable of getting the results they want (Hitler), an unintelligent leader who gets pushed around by anyone with an agenda (Bush), or someone between the two (most UK PMs). I think it's possible to be both highly intelligent and good though. Thomas Jefferson, for example. Although, perhaps the key point in that instance is that Jefferson shared the power. Incidentally, did you know that Einstein was offered the presidency of Israel, but turned it down?

    I wouldn't call Hitler extremely intelligent, he failed all his exams!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ShyBoy wrote: »
    I wouldn't call Hitler extremely intelligent, he failed all his exams!
    Exams are no measure of intelligence.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Not out of lack of ability or intelligence, he didn't.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    hitler was an idiot

    he failed all his exams, as shyboy stated and only held the rank of corporal due to how long he stayed in a quite meritocratic organisation.

    it's not surprising he was successful in politics...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    He could pull off the moves like no other leader though:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3IjcmOCfIg
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    minimi38 wrote: »
    hitler was an idiot

    he failed all his exams, as shyboy stated and only held the rank of corporal due to how long he stayed in a quite meritocratic organisation.

    it's not surprising he was successful in politics...

    Of course he wasn't an idiot. He was an almost entirely self-taught highly intelligent person, who happened to have a rather abusive childhood. So it's not surprising that he lashed out against authority in the form of the education system. Reports suggest that he used to read a book a day, and that his reading list wasn't exactly the latest Harry Potter novel. People don't like the exactly shout about his intelligence, because of what he did with it, but the fact that he failed in school doesn't mean that he was an idiot. An appropriate comparison might be George Orwell who was intelligent enough to win a scholarship at Eton, but subsequently became disinterested in formal education. And then we all know how influential he was after that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    Extremely contentious. Does this mean that, when a couple wants to start a family, they need to visit some government department in order to do intelligence tests?

    It wouldn't mean they need to do that. But if you're planning a family and consider yourself to be of above average intelligence, it would certainly be worthwhile.

    It's hardly contentious either, unless you believe genes have nothing to do with intelligence - which is known to be false. Intelligence is considered to be between 50-70% hereditary.

    And how do you assess what counts as "high intelligence" anyway?

    Testing cognitive functioning. You can argue such tests aren't always fully accurate, which is true, but they do give a good indication of intelligence, and do predict people's success in life in terms of occupation fairly accurately. Plus you could also additionally assess people in terms of any outstanding abilities.
    Does this mean that anyone who isn't a member of Mensa can't have kids?

    No, it doesn't.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Of course he wasn't an idiot. He was an almost entirely self-taught highly intelligent person, who happened to have a rather abusive childhood. So it's not surprising that he lashed out against authority in the form of the education system. Reports suggest that he used to read a book a day, and that his reading list wasn't exactly the latest Harry Potter novel. People don't like the exactly shout about his intelligence, because of what he did with it, but the fact that he failed in school doesn't mean that he was an idiot. An appropriate comparison might be George Orwell who was intelligent enough to win a scholarship at Eton, but subsequently became disinterested in formal education. And then we all know how influential he was after that.

    I didn't know Hitler had an abusive childhood? There's speculation abound in terms of psychiatric explanations for his views certainly...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well that's settled then. It wasn't Adolph Hitler's fault after all. I blame the parents... :D :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spliffie wrote: »

    It wouldn't mean they need to do that. But if you're planning a family and consider yourself to be of above average intelligence, it would certainly be worthwhile.

    It's hardly contentious either, unless you believe genes have nothing to do with intelligence - which is known to be false. Intelligence is considered to be between 50-70% hereditary.

    Really? There was that guy who wrote a book on how to raise a child prodigy. Teach them chess, apparently.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    To be honest I'd want to change a lot, but these are the most important ones I could think of.
    1. Increase funding for social services, or at least stop cutting the funding when more disabled people are being born and stop assuming the disability will go away when the disabled person is 18.
    2. Make big business responsible for the direct and indirect results of their need to have huge profits, including unfair wages and their enivironmental imapct, either through taxes or fines.
    3. Every penny of tax payer's money should have to be accounted for on it's own website, and everyone should have the right to find out how much money each service is getting and what the service is spending it on. I would actually like this to be taken futher so that around 30-50% of someone's taxes can be spent on the service they choose.
    4. Drugs should be legalised and taxed so the money could be used to make sure addicts have a decent chance of getting help if they want to stop.
    5. It should be illegal to import anything produced in Britain at the time and the label on imported products should say how much the producer was paid and the carbon emmisions involved in importing it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    3. Every penny of tax payer's money should have to be accounted for on it's own website, and everyone should have the right to find out how much money each service is getting and what the service is spending it on. I would actually like this to be taken futher so that around 30-50% of someone's taxes can be spent on the service they choose.

    The money spent on this would take up a rather large chunk of people's taxes. Also if you allow people to choose how they spend their taxes then that would lead to even less money for disabled people and drug rehabilitation programs i would imagine. As people are selfish and most wouldn't bother choose to direct money that way if they have the choice.

    Unless they are afflicted by that particular condition or someone they know is. Also I'd imagine most people are of the opinion that "dirty druggies" get everything they deserve so they should just rot in jail.
    5. It should be illegal to import anything produced in Britain at the time and the label on imported products should say how much the producer was paid and the carbon emmisions involved in importing it.

    So we should be expecting shortages of lots of things and what we do have to rise in price then if producers in this country suddenly have a monopoly on stuff then?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's fairly easy to put some numbers on website, the government would just need to obtain all the amounts they're spending, and if they can't do that we have serious problems. Of course people would want their taxes to go towards something they'd directly benefit from, which is why a large amount of their taxes would be spent by the government. I'm a socialist, but as I see things social services have no funding for my brother and I have to pay for uni, while my middle class uncle who earns a decent amount has to send his son to a catholic school so he can have a decent education because the schools in his area are under funded and he pays so much tax he can't afford a private school. He wasn't born rich, he worked hard at his education and got a good job, so why shouldn't he be able to say he wants a percentage of his taxes to be spent on education?
    If there are shortages of things then it means a sufficent amount isn't being produced, so it would be legal to import. As things are now a lot of our imports and exports are the same thing, which is pointless.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    5. It should be illegal to import anything produced in Britain at the time and the label on imported products should say how much the producer was paid and the carbon emmisions involved in importing it.

    This is typically called protectionism and you can read about it on the internet, it is a -bad- thing for all involved as trade is a very good thing and this stops trade.

    If all countries start just looking out for themselves, half of london who work in financial services helping people around the world will have to get a job in a field somewhere picking veg. Meanwhile net exporters of food will become poorer because nobody wants to buy their stuff.

    It's well worth doing a google search to read into the topic, it's very interesting and revealing how you need to account for not only the initial effects but the fallout afterwards.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's not about looking out for yourself, it's about not wasting energy. I'm not suggesting a dramatic change in everyone's life, and of course trade is a good thing and an essential part of the modern world, but when we're importing food and other countries are importing the same thing from Britian it creates pointless carbon emissons and makes supermarket prices so low that many farmers can't even cover the costs of producing things. There are many things that can't be produced in Britain, or there isn't enough or there's more than the country needs or it can't be produced in other countries and in these cases trade is essential but what exactly is the point in buying honey from chilie when it's produced in the same county?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What's the point in buying wine from Australia when we make it in the UK? The fact is different countries are good at different things. We don't make many manufactured goods here now compared to the amount we import from China because it's cost effective. Cheap high quality goods. It's good for China because they get a much bigger market to sell to and it's good for us because it means we're getting cheap goods and the labour that worked in manufacturing can go to University and be trained up to work in the services industries that tend to be more profitable.

    The environmental impact is a serious concern but that does not mean we should have blanket bans on anything, simply put if honey makers in devon aren't good enough to compete with honey makers in chile then they should go out of business, why should we protect failing enterprise?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's often more a case of how much a supermarket will have to pay for something than what the quality is like. It's cheaper to import because the cost of living in lower in other countries, but if it's produced locally people should have the local version. Importing from China is clearly a different thing, because as you've said, they produce things that we don't.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Why should people be forced to have the local version if it's inferior quality? Or more expensive?
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