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Return of the Iron Cross?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    :confused:

    How many Brits killed and how many Serbs did the Brits kill... do you know?

    No idea.

    Google might know. Tried that?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    :confused:

    Explain your thinking then...

    Economics.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sorry I edited, but you made the accusation that more people were killed as a result. You back it up.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Shimmer wrote: »
    Economics.


    Yeah, well thought out detailed response that one. Thanks. :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm sorry Shimmer but if your answer to the question that stopping people killing each other means more people were killed then it may be necessary to assume you're a troll - which is to say deliberately making claims to anger others with a refusal to justify what you're saying.

    You can't reply with one word answers here - please justify what you mean.

    As to peacekeeping in general, with a slant on Bosnia -

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE6D7113CF930A1575BC0A965958260
    http://jha.ac/1995/09/22/military-humanitarianism-and-the-new-peacekeeping-an-agenda-for-peace/
    http://jha.ac/articles/a185.pdf
    http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/dpko/co_mission/unprof_b.htm
    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1252/is_n1_v123/ai_17835713
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Shimmer wrote: »
    You wouldn't be showing some open curiosity there, Kingofglasgow, would you?

    Are you sure you don't just want to call me names and tell me I am retarded without answering any points instead?

    Oh well.....
    Wait, what? I don't know what you're getting at, but I think it's a bit off....

    I've been watching this thread on and off, and tbh I don't agree with your points. I see where you're coming from, but you strike me as being more than slightly obtuse when it comes to your argumentation. I've seen 'your type' on here over the past 7 years or so, and it's always the same thing. You hide behind a veneer of pseudo-intellectuality, and your dialogue with the many posters on here has been proof of that. You try and tie the discussion up with pointless excursions down etymological cul-de-sacs that don't lead anywhere, and pretend to be 'logical' and 'straightforward' when what you come across as in reality is simply exasperating and oblique.

    While you might think you're being very worldly, philosophical, and intellectual, and seeing beyond what 'the masses' see, people read what you're writing and can only see your attempts as ill-informed, manifestly ignorant of wider global processes, and wilfully short-sighted in incorporating supporting evidence to your claims.

    The worst thing though is that despite everyone disagreeing with you and offering counter-arguments, you still believe you are right and you'll refuse to back down until you have the last word. One of the worst things an academic can do is to believe that their work is the definitive word on a particular topic and refuse to integrate advances in their field, and when I read your posts that's exactly what I think of. But no, I don't think you're a retard. I just think you're a very misguided individual.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wait, what? I don't know what you're getting at, but I think it's a bit off....

    I've been watching this thread on and off, and tbh I don't agree with your points. I see where you're coming from, but you strike me as being more than slightly obtuse when it comes to your argumentation. I've seen 'your type' on here over the past 7 years or so, and it's always the same thing. You hide behind a veneer of pseudo-intellectuality, and your dialogue with the many posters on here has been proof of that. You try and tie the discussion up with pointless excursions down etymological cul-de-sacs that don't lead anywhere, and pretend to be 'logical' and 'straightforward' when what you come across as in reality is simply exasperating and oblique.

    While you might think you're being very worldly, philosophical, and intellectual, and seeing beyond what 'the masses' see, people read what you're writing and can only see your attempts as ill-informed, manifestly ignorant of wider global processes, and wilfully short-sighted in incorporating supporting evidence to your claims.

    The worst thing though is that despite everyone disagreeing with you and offering counter-arguments, you still believe you are right and you'll refuse to back down until you have the last word. One of the worst things an academic can do is to believe that their work is the definitive word on a particular topic and refuse to integrate advances in their field, and when I read your posts that's exactly what I think of. But no, I don't think you're a retard. I just think you're a very misguided individual.
    Is it Klintock?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Who was that guy about 12 months ago who sounded exactly like shimmer? Not calling him the same guy, just remember someone making near identical arguments over and over and over and over and over and over without ever justifying them.

    He threw in the gems, "there can't be an economic collapse because the economy doesn't exist" and "wars dont exist because countries dont exist" and hell, basically, everything doesn't exist.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ShyBoy wrote: »
    Who was that guy about 12 months ago who sounded exactly like shimmer? Not calling him the same guy, just remember someone making near identical arguments over and over and over and over and over and over without ever justifying them.

    He threw in the gems, "there can't be an economic collapse because the economy doesn't exist" and "wars dont exist because countries dont exist" and hell, basically, everything doesn't exist.
    Oh yeah, I remember that guy! Damn, what was his name. He was a hoot.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh yeah, I remember that guy! Damn, what was his name. He was a hoot.
    Klintock i just bleedin said!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No, it isn't him.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Seeker is who people are thinking of, the kind of apprentice to the earlier Klintock - but anyway despite the similarities Shimmer is neither.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Klintock i just bleedin said!
    No, it wasn't Klintock, it was someone else.... He was banned then came back under a different name then was banned again. He was some crazy libertarian or something...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No, it wasn't Klintock, it was someone else.... He was banned then came back under a different name then was banned again. He was some crazy libertarian or something...

    Seeker i just bleedin said!

    :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jim V wrote: »
    Seeker i just bleedin said!

    :p

    Calm down old hoss :p

    I was thinking of Monocrat tbh. Was Seeker Monocrat?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jim V wrote: »
    Seeker i just bleedin said!

    :p

    AYE ...I'VE GOT AN EXCUSE ...I TOLD YOU ABOUT it this morning!:)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sorry I edited, but you made the accusation that more people were killed as a result. You back it up.

    In the case of the bosnian conflict (and this logic holds true for all conflicts that an outisde agency interferes in, from a war to a domestic between man and wife), the war that the two opposing ideologies have to have has been curtailed.

    It will sit and wait until it can be fully exacted, the same as all insane delusions. There is something in peopel that means they would rather the world burn than change their minds when gripped by mad fantasy. (Religion being oe of them) .

    The bosnian conflict is not over. It cannot end until the ideas that fuel it are extinguished and that can only be done by those who hold the ideas finally tiring of them. All over the globe we can see the "fruit" of those who have rejected nonsense such as religion in favour of the scientific method used to create weapons and other horrors to be sold to those around the globe who still pray for rain and believe in various voodoo rubbish, with disastrous results.

    In the same way that a policeman who interferes in a marital dispute merely ensures that the violence will escalate (due to immutable economic laws) unless the two can be seperated, so it is with any conflict that any stronger party intervenes in.

    Economics is the study of hidden losses and gains arising from any action. I could go on, and will probably have to.

    To have a military capable of intervening that actually went to bosnia, millions of people had to be attacked, millions of people were never born due to the economic diversion into these non productive enterprises and millions of people had their lives cut short by various amounts as well.

    In comparison, the (merely delayed) deaths in bosnia are small, chump change.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Nah monocrat was more bizarre - he was the guy who would post l;ibertarian stuff but also talk about how he wanted to violently attack teenagers and that all women were sluts and blacks were all naturally inferior... he signed up like 30 times before we had to threaten him with contacting his isp.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jim V wrote: »
    Nah monocrat was more bizarre - he was the guy who would post l;ibertarian stuff but also talk about how he wanted to violently attack teenagers and that all women were sluts and blacks were all naturally inferior... he signed up like 30 times before we had to threaten him with contacting his isp.
    Oh happy days.... I've noticed actually, the number of trolls over the past few years appears to be dropping off, which can only be a good thing (although the kind of conversations they would instigate and the accompanying ire from other posters was always a good read).
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Shimmer wrote: »
    In the case of the bosnian conflict ... [edit]
    Economics is the study of hidden losses and gains arising from any action. I could go on, and will probably have to.

    To have a military capable of intervening that actually went to bosnia, millions of people had to be attacked, millions of people were never born due to the economic diversion into these non productive enterprises and millions of people had their lives cut short by various amounts as well.

    In comparison, the (merely delayed) deaths in bosnia are small, chump change.

    Sorry, did I miss the part where the person being defended was killed?

    Otherwise interesting post... will think about a reply
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Is it Klintock?

    that's the name!

    edit: oops...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ShyBoy wrote: »
    that's the name!

    edit: oops...
    It is innit ...ignore Jimv he's nearly old as me ...welcome back klint.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It is innit ...ignore Jimv he's nearly old as me ...welcome back klint.

    Ahh rumbled. :)

    I just popped back to warn you about the state of play in the economy - i.e. it's completely fucked but couldn't resist a small intellectual exercise or two.

    Never can! Sigh......

    Best of luck in the future, I'll probably get kicked again now.

    Please believe me whan I tell you that the economy is toast and the situation is incredibly serious. Starving people in the streets serious. State watching is what I do, and they are doomed.

    As usual they are going to drag everyone else down with them.

    Take care folks!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lol

    Well thanks for being honest man

    Bye :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Never saw Klintock as that socialist to be honest, quell suprise
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jim V wrote: »
    Neve saw Klintock as that socialist to be honest, quell suprise

    Do me and MR get a prize?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    :banghead:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ShyBoy wrote: »
    Do me and MR get a prize?

    Want an octopus?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I thought it was Klintock too :p:D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ShyBoy wrote: »
    Do me and MR get a prize?
    Whaddaya mean me and mr roll! It was me ..as usual ...who is ALWAYS ...right.Don't ban him jim ...please.
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