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An Inconvenient Truth
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Okay I'm not the most green person but I just watched Al's documentary and it freaked me out a bit, i think i knew most of the stuff but the way he pulled it all together it's like teotwawki :shocking: .....anyone else seen it?
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Also, more solutions to green our lifestyles would be good, as well as encouraging activism (I guess he ain't in the right position to though).
make significant action against global warming
no changes
If we do take significant action, when there is no need, we could face a global recession. If there is need, we save the planet.
If we don't and there is no need, everyone is happy. If we don't and is there is need, we're back in the stone ages.
It makes some basic assumptions but the logic is fairly sound. We don't know for sure what's going to happen in the future, but we can make sure we know whether we're going to be prepared for the worst or not.
Also: there is a good lecture on ted about 10 things that could end the world. Including Aliens
But as for An Inconvenient Truth I just had to be skeptical because he had massive predictions i.e. the world is going to end. I mean, he may be right, but I tend to take things doomsayers say with a pinch of salt.
eh
anyway the film itself it pretty rubbish, that's the problem when you put an entire topic in laymans terms using a powerpoint presentation
It was Ok... To be honest I don't think you can ever really put climate change science in to layman's terms very easily, it's so bloody complicated.
The thing was that it was a bit doom and gloom, I didn't find it empowering (in my view... I haven't seen it in like... six months so I don't remember that much) and people really need to be leaving the cinema thinking they can make a difference rather than seeking a bucket of sand to bury their heads in.
But then what can ya do eh?
his whole argument is about man made global warming and steps mankind can take to help prevent a global climate crisis... the effect man kind has on climate change is negligible. for a basic gist watch "the global warming swindle" video as a counter argument - its on you tube, then compare the two
Most people on here have gone to university, so grasping concepts like climate change isn't so hard as say... Somebody who hasn't even gone on to further education. I don't mean that in a condescending way, but more as a criticism to an ethnocentric and primarily middle class movement where the language (I feel) is not accessible to everyone. Saying that, it is middle class white people who tend to do the most damage.
The problem with an Inconvenient Truth was that it was a shitload of information all at once. Saying that, it's a film and there's so much information on climate change.
Though I do have a short attention span, so maybe that's it (I learnt all my environmental stuff through reading and through my job).
I wasn't keen on some of the ways it was presented. I thin that doom mongering is all very well... But what about some concrete solutions? So far as I remember, wasn't it mostly him in front of some graphs?
I wanna see 11th Hour though, to compare it.
Yes, but the Global Warming Swindle was very controversial and manipulated the scientists in it and also used dated statistics.
There's an interested film on 'Global Dimming' if anybody would like to watch it (I can find it for ya... PM me or say so on this thread).
many of the people who appeared on that show wrote to the makers after it was shown for twisting their words
and ze research on it was old, and disproven on how much solar cycle affect the earth ie yes they affect it too but at the moment the changes are opposite to what this guy predicted ie theres been a lull in solar output yet warming increased still
Think about it... If for every seminar he does, two less people fly away on holiday then it's less shit going up in the air (let's hope more than that choose not to fly for leisure).
Sometimes people have to make sacrifices like that.
I don't know why people are always missing the point of the information to pick out imperfections of the person delivering it (Ok, there are lines you draw, but this is a different issue).
I think Bob Geldoff and Bono are quite hypocritical though (but then how much good did Make Poverty History do?).
Huh, what? Oh, the film's over? Well, what a load of shit that was. At least what I saw of it was - drifted off somewhere in the middle. An Inconvenient Truth? I'd prefer if it was just called Bollocks. Where's the nearest member of staff? I want my money back. And what does a prat like Al Bore know about climate change? This is a man who owns a huge house with eight bedrooms, whose electricity bill last year was $30,000. He seriously thinks the public's gonna take lessons on "climate change" from him?! Do us a favour, Bore - get out of your limousine and get on your bike!
would you all concede it's entirely possible due to the chaos theory and the hundreds of random variables that we cannot say with 100% or even 95% certainty that global warming will or will not occur. We are worried it may occur.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDsIFspVzfI
This is the best video out there really - it doesn't matter whether you believe it exists or not. It is a fair possibility that it could happen - many of the scientific establishments have put forward recommendations to take action - this should not be taken lightly. Some of the evidence strongly supports the idea of human affected global warming. So it could be considered a possible significant outcome.
Therefore: given the inherit uncertainty, should we not take serious efforts to prepare ourselves for the worst or try to prevent it? If it doesn't happen, oh dear, it's like the US Star Wars program. We didn't go to nuclear war but it didn't stop national governments spending billions and trillions on nuclear attack and defence weapons.
This is an equally significant threat but do to short termist politics and the reluctance to invest in insurance should the worst happen, we are facing this 'naked' I feel. And all we can do is hope it doesn't occur. When we have the means and power to at least have a damn good try at protecting our future we're reckless in not doing so.
Since the risk is significant, we don't have to know whether it is going to happen or not. I wouldn't ride my motorcycle without a good helmet, even if it costs £200. I've never had a crash bashing my head but I wouldn't risk my head, even if £200 is a lot of money.
I really like this idea because it makes it so clear and straightforward. There is no longer controversy over whether it will or won't happen, using random sources of evidence that contradicts something that comes out next week - it's about whether we will insure that if is is going to happen we won't be seriously affected.
Yes, if he's right in his assertions and no, if he's not.
You pay your money and you take your choice
Anyone who says 'well he's not leading by example so he must be wrong/there is no point in heeding his warnings' is skirting the issue, and know they are.
:yes:
He's bringing the issue of climate change across America too. People are actually LISTENING for once.
I often wonder too... How politically active and green living the people who criticise him are. :rolleyes:
And if he was whiter than white, would you listen to him? Or do you just disagree anyway and so are looking for any excuse to discredit him? In my experience, it's only ever the people who disagree with what he is saying in the first place that seem to point this out.
Would the Catholic church be hypocritical to speak out against the killing of people for being homosexual, for example? In my view, yes they would. But should everyone support them in any campaign to stop it, if they decided to start one? Yes they should. I question Al Gore as a spokesman for PR reasons, but that doesn't mean that his message isn't a good one. And if you base your ethical decisions on the hypocracy or otherwise of the person delivering the message, then you're a fool who's not capable of thinking for themselves. After all, Osama bin Laden wants Guantanamo Bay closed down. Maybe we should all be against that too?
I don't think people actually are listening to him really. Not at any normal level of society anyway.
What do you mean?
I could bet my life on it right now this moment that none of my mates back home even know who Al Gore is nevermind what he stands for. The whole green issue and doing something for the environment is still a Middle Class preserve imo.