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Parents with children in Wetherspoons only allowed two drinks

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/uk/7170939.stm

Adults with children are only allowed two alcoholic drinks at JD Wetherspoon pubs in order to limit their stay.


A spokesman for the company said it was "uncomfortable" with children being on the premises for long periods because of a lack of play facilities.


What do you think?

I can't say I've ever noticed lots of kids in Wetherspoons, but I usually only go in the evenings. I can't see why anyone would want to take their kids there unless they were having a meal, in which case, two drinks seems plenty.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think it's outrageous myself. You either allow children in pub or don't. Far better to introduce a measure in which parents of children who have become unruly can be asked to leave.

    If your children are behaving themselves and you are told you cannot have a third drink it's rather insulting and patronising.

    I suspect it's to do with profits and little else.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    good idea if you ask me, the wetherspoons here (and many others ive been too) are full of people taking prams, kids, alsorts in and staying for the day while they get wasted. Not a good environment for children if you ask me, there are countless pubs such as brewers fair, brewsters etc.. that are more family orientated.

    wetherspoons is generally a mix of giro jonnys, young people and generally people looking for cheap drinks, therefore not really the sort of family eating establishment.

    to be honest, if it wasnt so cheap i wouldnt set foot in one ever again, they depress the hell out of me, they smell, no music, and generally rough horrible people.

    but thats just my thoughts.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Personally, I don't think pubs are that suitable for kids - especially if there are no entertainment facilities for them. I don't think adults should be restricted to just two drinks though. It should be on a case-by-case basis.
    Aladdin wrote: »
    I suspect it's to do with profits and little else.

    Pubs are not a charity but an adult business where people of age can get away, have a drink and not neccessarily be pestered by kids running around. That's what Mac D's are for. :)

    Anyway, if I can't jump on their bouncy castles or plunge into their coloured ball pits, why should they come into my pub??? :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Don't get me wrong, I don't like seeing children in a pub and unless the premises in question have a garden/conservatory area it might not be the best environment for them.

    But if you do allow children in your pub then restricting their parents/guardians to two drinks seems infantile and unfair.

    How are they going to enforce this anyway? Does a bottle of wine count as one drink or more? Because if a couple orders a couple of bottles of wine they could make it last quite a while... :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    Don't get me wrong, I don't like seeing children in a pub and unless the premises in question have a garden/conservatory area it might not be the best environment for them.

    But if you do allow children in your pub then restricting their parents/guardians to two drinks seems infantile and unfair.

    How are they going to enforce this anyway? Does a bottle of wine count as one drink or more? Because if a couple orders a couple of bottles of wine they could make it last quite a while... :D

    maybe its the least offensive or least likely way of causing problems to say "we dont want kids in our pubs anymore"?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Either that or they want to get the best of both worlds.

    It doesn't bother or affect me too much to be honest. I don't have kids and I would only consider patronising a Wetherspoons pub if it was the only one in a 100-mile radius. Rank beer and shit atmosphere.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree, they are shit. The house wine is now sold on draught (ugh) and they don't do the nice chocolate milk cocktail they used to. The toilets always tend to be up or down 100 stairs. Although there are some Spoons in nice old buildings, the one in Walsall used to be a theatre.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's obviously nothing to do with protecting the welfare of kids or anything like that, just that Wetherspoons have cottoned onto these families taking up their tables for whole afternoons when they could have people who spend more money per head in those seats.

    Why anyone would want to linger in Wetherspoons longer than necessary is beyond me anyway, I imagine the overwhelming majority of people who do take their kids in are happy to leave once they're fed and watered. I wouldn't take my children in there, but then I would even take myself in there unless I was out of options.

    As has been said, how is it enforcable anyway? If you go in with kids will you have to have your hand stamped drink by drink? Weird.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's only alcoholic drinks - so I don't really understand what the problem is?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    People I know, and Pubs I have been in I have seen parents with their children arriving at 3pm - drinking alcohol and shoving cartons down their kids throats, leaving them to mess with the pool table or running around wild playing tag, a cheap butty for tea and so it carries on until early hours of the morning.

    This isn't fair on the kids - OK now it's not smoky for them but still!
    On christmas eve I saw a family with a baby (tiny tiny baby - weeks old) in a pub with their 3 other children from about 4yrs to 10 yrs. They left after us and we left at 10.30pm. Why keep your kids in a pub on xmas eve until 11pm or later even.

    Kids shouldn't be allowed in pubs unless they are family pubs e.g. brewsters with the play area. There is no need for them to be there. Parents have the kids, they can take them to more suitable places for the child or leave them at home with a babysitter.

    In my opinion, pubs are no places for children and weatherspoons have made a good move with their new unenforcable rule!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ^^ It's all drinks.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I work in a pub where parents bring their kids for 'a day out' i.e an all day drinking session for them, leaving the kids have to run around the pool table causing mayhem all day.

    Its not fair on the children, a day out for the kids isn't going to the pub, because after 5 minutes they are bored.

    Although I think a two drinks limit is a good idea, its going to be hard to enforce. Most parents would only take they kids in a pub for a few drinks anyway, this is about trying to prevent the parents who think they can bring their kids to the pub whilst they stay all day drinking.

    Good idea Witherspoon's, only not sure how enforcible it will be. :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I thought kids had to be out of the pub by 9/9.30pm. Isn't that still the case? If so then that's another issue entirely if you're seeing kids running around pubs after 10pm.

    I'm not all that comfortable with the undertone that taking your kids to Wetherspoons for their tea equates to bad parenting. It's not ideal but maybe there's little/no choice when you're in town for the day. The kids probably love it, anyway. It also depends hugely on the age of the kids, of course.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    briggi wrote: »
    I'm not all that comfortable with the undertone that taking your kids to Wetherspoons for their tea equates to bad parenting. It's not ideal but maybe there's little/no choice when you're in town for the day. The kids probably love it, anyway. It also depends hugely on the age of the kids, of course.

    Taking your kids to Wetherspoon's doesn't make you a bad parent.

    But there is a clear divide between those who are going into the pub for a meal and a few drinks with the kids- which i think is fine. And those who take the kids along 'for a day out' and spend hours upon hours in the pub getting drunk. They have no interest in having a meal, but just getting drunk somewhere they can take the kids. That isn't fair on the kids or other customers.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    briggi wrote: »
    I thought kids had to be out of the pub by 9/9.30pm. Isn't that still the case? If so then that's another issue entirely if you're seeing kids running around pubs after 10pm.

    I'm not all that comfortable with the undertone that taking your kids to Wetherspoons for their tea equates to bad parenting. It's not ideal but maybe there's little/no choice when you're in town for the day. The kids probably love it, anyway. It also depends hugely on the age of the kids, of course.

    i think its down to the premises, the wacky warehouse and brewsters here serve food till closing at 11pm and therefore allow children in till then.

    i certainly dont think taking kids to a pub for some food is bad parenting, i just think there are places which are more suitable such as the above, i was taken to pubs to eat as a child, but certainly not a full day out there.

    Maybe its just the experience of wetherspoons that i've had and thats what's tainting it for me, they are filthy holes and would never take any child of mine to one.

    i've regularly been to the brewster places with my nieces however who only wee babes and they love the ball pits and that, certainly better than playing with Crazy Jacks walking stick under the table in a spoons.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lacrymosa wrote: »
    :yes:

    I always feel quite sorry when I see children in Wetherspoons. They looked bored out of their brains.

    So do the adults....
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So do the adults....
    :D
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    Aladdin wrote: »
    If your children are behaving themselves and you are told you cannot have a third drink it's rather insulting and patronising. I suspect it's to do with profits and little else.
    By not selling an adult a third drink, they are losing a sale. And by losing a sale, they are losing money. So, I fail to see how it's about making more money.
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    stargalaxy wrote: »
    By not selling an adult a third drink, they are losing a sale. And by losing a sale, they are losing money. So, I fail to see how it's about making more money.

    as said previously it frees up space and time for serving to people who spend more money, for eg. if me and my friends were sat there we'd have a pint or a drink every 15mins or so, compared to maybe a orange squash for 20p for a child which will last hours
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    By not selling an adult a third drink, they are losing a sale. And by losing a sale, they are losing money. So, I fail to see how it's about making more money.


    I guess he meant something along the lines of there being 2 adults drinking pints with 5 kids drinking cheap crap pop taking up a table, getting rowdy and kids running wild. They won't be making all that much from them as customers, but may be putting other people off coming in for the sake of the noisy kids.

    Or mabye he didn't mean that!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lol @ all the comments about a pub not being an environment for kids

    Why on earth not? Socialising with friends and showing how to do it responsibly?

    Don't take my kid much but if I want too I do, he loves coming out with the boys, took him the first time when he was 5 days old lol
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    as said previously it frees up space and time for serving to people who spend more money, for eg. if me and my friends were sat there we'd have a pint or a drink every 15mins or so, compared to maybe a orange squash for 20p for a child which will last hours
    Hours? How many kids do you know that could make an orange squash last a couple of hours? From my experience, you'd be lucky to have if it lasted minutes!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yes, there is a difference between taking your kids to the pub to social and showing him how to do it responsibly to the parents who go on a all day bender with kids in tow. I have seen parents who get into fights in front of their kids, drunk as a skunk screaming and shouting at the other person. Kids screaming, crying for their mum to stop.

    When you take your son to the pub you may be being responsible, but many don't.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I doubt the reason is primarily to do with money, more about complaints from customers.

    I often go to the pub and just drink pop, or make it last ages. Maybe they should throw me out.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lol @ all the comments about a pub not being an environment for kids

    Why on earth not? Socialising with friends and showing how to do it responsibly?

    Don't take my kid much but if I want too I do, he loves coming out with the boys, took him the first time when he was 5 days old lol

    If there is suitable entertainment, then fair enough. But for your kid to sit there and watch you socialising with your friends with nothing to do himself, it can't be that much fun. Noone is saying you are a bad parent because you do it, though. :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teagan wrote: »
    If there is suitable entertainment, then fair enough. But for your kid to sit there and watch you socialising with your friends with nothing to do himself, it can't be that much fun. Noone is saying you are a bad parent because you do it, though. :)

    yeah if its a suitable place for kids thats cool, but taking them to the boozer while you hang out with your mates is not good, and if it was a regular thing i'd say its on its way to bad parenting.

    ETA: but then again i dont have kids so cant really have a opinion on it
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ETA: but then again i dont have kids so cant really have a opinion on it
    Taking that argument further, I've never murdered anyone, so I can't really hold an opinion on the subject. I therefore would have to renounce all criticisms I've made of all those who have killed others.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    Taking that argument further, I've never murdered anyone, so I can't really hold an opinion on the subject. I therefore would have to renounce all criticisms I've made of all those who have killed others.

    theres time for you yet
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    theres time for you yet
    Yes, I think that I'm due a killing spree in the next few years... :p

    I do wonder about the point on possible complaints from customers. I suspect that's at least part of the reason Wetherspoons are doing this. Though given my experience the last time I was at one of their pubs, you'd need at least two pints to get rid of the awful taste of the food I was served.
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    stargalaxy wrote: »
    Taking that argument further, I've never murdered anyone, so I can't really hold an opinion on the subject. I therefore would have to renounce all criticisms I've made of all those who have killed others.

    :rolleyes:

    Its blatantly obvious the reasons why they have brought this in. As said before, they prefer the place to be rammed with people who'll spend the day in there, drinking. IE four blokes/women with no kids who can sit and drink all day. Not one bloke/woman with kids who takes up a whole table and is buying a fraction of the alcohol four adults would.

    Cleverly hidden behind a 'we're thinking of the kids message'!. But probably rightly so, Wetherspoons' are usually dives often full of dickheads IME. Last person i'd take there is a kid.
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