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New Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg has answered "no" when asked on BBC radio if he believed in God.

The rapid-fire question and answer format on 5 Live meant the 40-year-old did not have the chance to elaborate.

[...] Asked whether he had ever taken illegal drugs, he replied: "I'm going to cast a veil over that. It's the one thing I agree with David Cameron on. I think politicians are entitled to a private life before they go into politics."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7151346.stm

So a drug-taking atheist. A man after my own heart :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    He will never be Prime Minister.

    You will never see an atheist as PM.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If he was American his chances of being elected would be in tatters if he said that. Thankfully this society is less God fearing.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    He will never be Prime Minister.

    You will never see an atheist as PM.
    That's a good point for a discussion actually. They way I see it there is actually a case for having agnostics/atheists only as Heads of State. I bet an awful lot of trouble would be spared around the world.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    I bet an awful lot of trouble would be spared around the world.

    In Liberal Democracies, it's not an issue. Religion doesn't shape policy decisions or enact laws.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yet it is sad that the chances of somebody who does not happen to believe in mystical deities becoming PM are probably nil. It shouldn't be like that.

    For what is worth, it is also sad that a Catholic, or I suspect anyone not member of the CoE wouldn't have a chance in hell of being PM either.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Atheism is still a form of religion IMHO :p

    :lol:

    We atheists are a multi-theistic lot. Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris are our Gods; Darwin's Origin of the Species our bible.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    Yet it is sad that the chances of somebody who does not happen to believe in mystical deities becoming PM are probably nil. It shouldn't be like that.

    For what is worth, it is also sad that a Catholic, or I suspect anyone not member of the CoE wouldn't have a chance in hell of being PM either.

    You really think so, less than 5% of the Brititish population go to mass each week. You really think the other 95% actually give a fuck who their leaders believe in?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yerascrote wrote: »
    You really think so, less than 5% of the Brititish population go to mass each week. You really think the other 95% actually give a fuck who their leaders believe in?

    I give a fuck what my leaders believe in and i don't go to mass each week.

    You're telling me if Gordon Brown outed himself as a Scientologist next week you wouldn't be even a little bit concerned?

    The idea that a leader thinks they're ultimately culpable to a celestial dictator, and not the public, does also concern me.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think Nick Clegg will do quite well. Keep answering question openly and honestly (even if you do piss off some people) and you have my vote.

    :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    For what is worth, it is also sad that a Catholic, or I suspect anyone not member of the CoE wouldn't have a chance in hell of being PM either.

    Benjamin Disraeli has been there, done that. England's first and only Jewish prime minister. :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    He will never be Prime Minister.

    You will never see an atheist as PM.

    I dunno though ... traditional Labour supporters are probably eyeing up the Lib Dems as a real alternative to the current lot.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teagan wrote: »
    Benjamin Disraeli has been there, done that. England's first and only Jewish prime minister. :p

    he was ethnically Jewish, religously his father had converted to Anglicanism

    Michael Howard was religously and ethnically Jewish
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7151346.stm

    So a drug-taking atheist. A man after my own heart :D

    I love the way that he's being pretty honest, but he's still acutely aware of the acceptable views you need to purport to hold.

    Do you believe in God: "N.. eerrr No"

    Have you taken drugs: "I'm going to cast a veil over that"

    I'd have ten time the respect for someone who came straight out and said "I don't believe in fairy tales and i owned a bong while at uni". :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I give a fuck what my leaders believe in and i don't go to mass each week.

    You're telling me if Gordon Brown outed himself as a Scientologist next week you wouldn't be even a little bit concerned?

    The idea that a leader thinks they're ultimately culpable to a celestial dictator, and not the public, does also concern me.

    I'm sure they would, but religion has never been at the forefront of British politics whereas it would be in America. British politicians tend to keep their religion personal and don't let it inflience their decision making. Of course there are exceptions.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Abe Lincoln was an athiest wasn't he? Certainly wasn't a christian.

    I don't think religion has played a big part at all in politics until the Billy Graham / Reagan situation which has continued to distort the political climate since then.

    it's really a pretty new element to politics isn't it?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jim V wrote: »
    Abe Lincoln was an athiest wasn't he? Certainly wasn't a christian.

    He wasn't an atheist.
    Jim V wrote: »
    I don't think religion has played a big part at all in politics until the Billy Graham / Reagan situation which has continued to distort the political climate since then.

    it's really a pretty new element to politics isn't it?

    Not really new per se, it's always been around. They've just used it as a mantle to garner support for their social conservative ideals.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Gladstone will be turning in his grave.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You're telling me if Gordon Brown outed himself as a Scientologist next week you wouldn't be even a little bit concerned?

    The idea that a leader thinks they're ultimately culpable to a celestial dictator, and not the public, does also concern me.
    I would certainly be very worried if the leader of my country claimed, as the chimp did in the US, that God talks to him and tells him to attack other countries :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well he did say he prayed to god about the decision to go to war, didn't old Tony? I seem to remember a lot of shock and outrage when he said it...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    But that wasn't the policy shaper.

    "Removing the tyrant" was. Or to get the oil if you have any common sense.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jim V wrote: »
    Well he did say he prayed to god about the decision to go to war, didn't old Tony? I seem to remember a lot of shock and outrage when he said it...

    Dubya stated that God told him to do it. Blair said he was ultimately answerable to God.

    These were at one point the two main leaders of the free world. Scary really.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jim V wrote: »
    Abe Lincoln was an athiest wasn't he? Certainly wasn't a christian.

    I don't think religion has played a big part at all in politics until the Billy Graham / Reagan situation which has continued to distort the political climate since then.

    it's really a pretty new element to politics isn't it?

    Probably not an atheist, but certainly not a conventional Christian. He certainly quoted and read the Bible, and attended Prestbyterian services (albeit he didn't belong to the Church). I think he is best described as a non-denominational Christian

    www.adherents.com/people/pl/Abraham_Lincoln.html
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ha! Just read the same link earlier - I do indeed stand corrected :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hmm, don't get too excited Aladdin, he also said this:
    I have enormous respect for people who have religious faith, I'm married to a Catholic and am committed to bringing my children up as Catholics.

    I couldn't care less about his views on god tbh. I would sooner support a Christian secularist, than an atheist who supports state-funded religious endevours. Though the above is probably just an example of trying to kiss the arse of every potential voter tbh.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Dubya stated that God told him to do it. Blair said he was ultimately answerable to God.

    These were at one point the two main leaders of the free world. Scary really.
    Precisely. Which makes all the warnings about 'mad mullahs' in charge of Iran even the more risible. There is only one set of leaders here who have atacked other nations at least partially on the basis that they think their God wanted them to.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Nick Clegg... the less said, the better. Bring back Charles Kennedy. At least people didn't mistake him for Call Me Dave.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    We should just bring back Tony Blair, and have three identical candidates.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teagan wrote: »
    I dunno though ... traditional Labour supporters are probably eyeing up the Lib Dems as a real alternative to the current lot.

    Probably!!! A lot of us have been doing so for a while now and more so since the Iraq war started.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Slightly off topic but this weeks Doonesbury strip is so apt for this thread :lol:http://www.doonesbury.com/
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