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I dunno about the Express, never read it. But the Mail seem to be waging a campaign against anything they perceive as .....drum roll, please... POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. Whether it is Sikhs wanting to wear turbans, or Hindus getting upset about putting cows to sleep, or feminists not suitably covering their ankles, or whatever.
It is the accidental misfortune of muslims to find themselves in the loop of "PC-ness" , thus making them like one of many red rags to the Mail's bull - pun intentional.
However, if this story is true, it is still despicable, regardless of the bias of the source. Nurses are there as health care professionals, not as religious facilitators. If the NHS wants to be more "culturally" sensitive towards muslims, (is Islam a "culture" now?), then they should invite volunteers in from local mosques and muslim communities to assist with patient needs in this type of area. Just like Christian volunteers are invited in to assist bringing patients to chapel, and priests and lay communicants volunteer to go in and offer communion.
Bottom line is, that is not a nurse's job.
This is my first post in this thread, but I just wanted to ask something:
Nurses, I assume, are generally nice people. If someone has a specific wish to have their bed moved, they could ask the nurse. Why does it need to be specifically written in a document that '5 times a day' nurses shall rotate muslim patient's beds towards mecca.
Seems like over-regulation, really.
edit: saw MoK's second post, non-story really
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How exactly do you think he gets from ward to ward? he either gets pushed around in his bed or moved from bed to chair to bed and gets pushed by... nurses! The nurses I know on general wards and the like find it pretty back breaking work, or pretty physical at least. If your Grandad's been moved that many times it's probably efficiency. Say he was in an acute state when he entered, going through triage maybe, then a ward, then anesthetised, then surgery maybe, then an acute ward for recovery, then a general ward. Unless you have specific reason to be complaining about it, it's probably fair to assume that he's being moved for good reason- most likely to be in the most appropriate place to receive the most appropriate care for him at that time.
Are the two not synonymous? Do you really think it will increase the level of patient care to make life more arduous for the nurses? They have a hard enough job already, without asking them to do jobs that should really be carried out by others.
So I wonder when the Daily Mail will be running a story about all of the special treatment that Christian patients get. Perhaps starting with the Chaplains, paid for out of NHS resources, who recieve a salary of £26k to £35k? If the Mail had a story about how the NHS offers services to people with certain religious beliefs, then they'd have a point, and we could have a debate about it. As it is, and as it always is with the Mail, it's a pathetic swipe at a minority religion, while being careful not to upset anyone in their readership. In the meantime, maybe you could explain how muslim patients get anything special that costs £35,000 a year.
Are you saying you disagree, or are you just making noises?
Erm.. ooops. Nurses will take patients to the Chapel.
Still that's for Christian worship, so no problems there eh?
You sir, are an arse.
Two completely different issues.
Do you think that beds never, ever move?
And that is why you shouldn't comment like this. You have no understanding and you make yourself look stupid.
Patients are moved to the place where they will get the most appropriate care - so MAU for observation, ICU for intensive care, Orthopaedic wards for orthopaedic problems, Women only ward for maternity/gynae, "elderly" ward for elderly care, cardiac wards for cardiac etc. Partly this is because the patients get better care when the person on the ward know the specialty they are caring for.
But it's thread linked to Islam which produce the most throthing mouthed comments. Liek this one.
Never seen a thread about the Christian related care which is offered...
Acompanied by a nurse...
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My mum works (in facts runs on about 90% of her shifts) one of the busiest wards in the hospital. The turn over of patients going home/being admitted to A&E/going to other wards or hospitals is stupidly high (at least half the beds can change patients in the space of a morning/afternoon)
Its a pain but hospitals have to bed manage and that involves having beds availble where there needed. Becasue you do not want to go to hospital and not be admitted because they have no free beds. And believe me it happens.
Exactly.
Sez who? Nurses should not be doing any such thing. If you had any experience of either nursing, or secular ideals you wouldn't say that. Nurses are health professionals, their time should not be wasted with doing other peoples' jobs. If patients need religious attention, it should come from ministers or volunteers in their own religious community.
And how can that happen when the majority of trusts, to save money, have let go of half their religious ministers etc? If a patient wants to go to the chapel then it is the nurse/HCA who takes them.
The majority of a nurses time is spent doing other peoples jobs! People moan about the care they recieve when in hospital but thats because nurses are stretched to their limit half the time, looking after 12 patients instead of their usual 6. But if you asked a nurse to move a patients bed to face mecca, yeah they may moan about it but it will be done.
At some trusts, like the one I work at, there are no porters to move patients around to help with the moving of beds. Housekeeprs won't do this task as they say it isn't their 'responsibility' so it has to be the nurses, HCA's or the students (like me).
The Daily Mail, obviously. I'd be happy to criticise the £35k a year for walking around talking to people, maybe reading a few lines out of a book. Considering that one of the main benefits of church, so I'm told, is the community and support it offers, I don't think they should need £35k a year to do it (I think the sheer amount of money is what gets me tbh - how much does a nurse earn, and how long did a nurse have to train to earn that much?). Travel expenses, if you're lucky. If the Catholic church, or whatever other church, wants to offer spiritual guidance to its members, then it should do it on its own money, not ours. We've spent far too long in this country essentially funding recruitment centres for the various religions, (schools in particular) and then them having the cheek to ask for tax breaks as well.
But to criticise the muslim special treatment just screams of hypocracy and the usual Mail bigotry. I bet they'd be leading the outcry if the government agreed with my position on this issue, and wanted to get rid of the state-funded chaplains.
Nurses shouldn;t be escorting sick patients around the hospital?
WTF has "secular ideas" got to do with nursing patients?
So tell me, whose job is it to take the patient to the chapel in the hospital?
... erm... it does
Nurses spend far too much time doing other people's jobs. A friend of mine has recently qualified as a nurse, and according to her, after busting her ass at college for 4 years, and being given all the crappiest jobs as a student, she now spends an unbelievable amount of time chasing up doctors to do what they should be doing in the first place. I won't hold my breath waiting to read about it in the Daily Mail, because obviously they have another agenda entirely. It is all part of the same problem though. Nurses should be left to do their own job, and not be treated like general dogsbodies around the hospital.