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'Hell's Kitchen' hit by racism row
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Hell's Kitchen has become embroiled in a racism row after Chef Marco Pierre White used the word "pikey" on the programme.
Viewers watched the head chef saying: "I don't think it was a pikey's picnic tonight", which has prompted the Commission for Racial Equality (CRE) to criticise the show.
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I wasnt aware the word pikey related soley to gypsys and irish travellers. I have heard people use the word pikey to describe a chav. I dont think the word is discriminatory to any one group. Is this really racism ?? We just seem to have gone pc mad !
Im really
with the Commission for Racial Equality, anyone would think they have fuck all to do and need something to complain about.
Viewers watched the head chef saying: "I don't think it was a pikey's picnic tonight", which has prompted the Commission for Racial Equality (CRE) to criticise the show.
Full Story
I wasnt aware the word pikey related soley to gypsys and irish travellers. I have heard people use the word pikey to describe a chav. I dont think the word is discriminatory to any one group. Is this really racism ?? We just seem to have gone pc mad !
Im really
with the Commission for Racial Equality, anyone would think they have fuck all to do and need something to complain about. 0
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I know I am guilty of accidentally/lazily using offensive words anyway.
For example, the word "puff", I know lots of gay people, and they will get offended and try and preach if for example someone on TV says "god he's a right puff" or something to that effect.
Whereas when they are laughing and joking they can call each other that in jest.
Now for me personally, I think it's the term in which the word is used in which counts.
If someone says ah ya big puff to me in a jestful way, I don't take it as offensive. But if it was "look at those disgusting f*cking puffs" or something.. then it would.. if ya know what I mean>? And I think really that same type of thing should apply to the n-word, if it was to be used by anyone at all, but then it's very complex.
The problem with black people using it in their music etc though, is that I buy their music, and I sing along, which inenvitably means I say the n-word.. and it's kinda daft to sit in my car and sing but censor myself ..?
There is no race row here. I don't recall being taught at school that gypsies are a race in their own right. I must have been off sick that day. However, I'm always told the same thing when I dare to ask questions of Muslims. Some moron comes along and suggests I'm actually a closet racist. Please. I couldn't care less what colour skin someone has. Gypsies are not a race in their own right.
You must have been sick that day. Romani gypsys derive from India originally, there's also the case that Irish Travellers are a distinct ethnic group. The Shelta language is separate from English. I've actually lived beside a family of Travellers for 2 years, I'd dare you to call them "pikeys", you'd get an awful hiding from them, they're genuinely nice people now leave them alone!
Derogatory against travellers, yes, but racist? I suppose it depends on whether you think that they are a separate RACIAL group or not. I don't, because the Roma and the Irish travellers are racially no different to anyone else from Romania, Bulgaria and Ireland. They have a separate cultural identity, but that isn't the same thing.
But then the CRE gets more funding every time it invents a new race. Which is why at work we have 27 racial monitoring codes, and only one of them is "white".
I would pay to see Marco Pierre White call a bunch of travellers "pikeys", mind, because I can't stand the twat and he'd look good with a new arsehole.
Oh dear. Sometimes you can come out with some shite bai.
*shrug*
It doesn't have to be racist to be offensive and derogatory. And the CRE are a waste of perfectly good oxygen.
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The term is used as abuse and is therefore offensive. It's not a term used, in the main, about a specific race.
They may be white, but that doesn't mean they're not a different race from say the Celtic race or the Anglo-saxon race.
Though to be honest its splitting hairs - its like the BNP claiming not to be racist when they abuse Moslems or claims that as arabs are semitic people, that being defamatory about Jews is not anti-semitism.
It depends on whether you use the strict dictionary definition of race, or whether you allow the self-aggrandizing CRE to set the agenda. After all, the more races the CRE invent, the more people they can vilify as racist.
Personally I'd say that the roma are racially the same as other Eastern Europeans, but culturally they are very different. I don't agree that gypsies and travellers are a separate racial group.
It is and it isn't.
It's foul language and it should be punished, and that doesn't change if the gypsies are a separate race or simply a separate culture.
What gets my goat about this is that the only time anyone condemns foul and abusive speech about others is when the CRE manage to invent a race for the victim. I note that Jim Davidson's comments in the same programme have barely been mentioned...
But that's wrong. They originate from India and are ethnically different than your standard European.
1. Another word for travellers/ gypsies/ carnys
e.g. 'Yeah there's loads of Pikey's on that field not sure how long they are saying'
2. Description of someone chavvy
e.g. 'He looks like a right pikey with that earring in!'
3. A term for somebody who steals things
'She took my earmuffs, what a pikey! She pikes everything, betch!'
.. none of them have any thing to use with colour but I do thing that they are quite derogatory and mean.
Using it the way that Chef did comes across that the 'Pikey' isn't good enough/posh enough sort of a thing .