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They're our organs now

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    it might seem really selfish of me but I will most likely be opting out. I do not want to be 'chopped up' as someone said earlier. The thought of it makes me feel really violated.

    I would not want my body parts to be used for medical research.

    Can ou opt out of the medical research but not organ donation?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Frankly I'd rather my organs got re-used by someone who might need them than get eaten by worms, but each to their own.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    Frankly I'd rather my organs got re-used by someone who might need them than get eaten by worms, but each to their own.

    Most people get burnt these days, so you're not even feeding the worms.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    budda wrote: »
    Most people get burnt these days, so you're not even feeding the worms.

    I know when i die i want to be be buried. I demand to be buried! I want to be dug up on a history programme of the future.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I want to be stuffed.

    In one of my trademark poses.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    Frankly I'd rather my organs got re-used by someone who might need them than get eaten by worms, but each to their own.

    Same here.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yerascrote wrote: »
    I'd be mortified (even more so from the grave ;)) if someone took my brain after I died.

    Don't worry, they only take the useful organs :p


    NB To those who would opt out, I hope that you will also opt out of accepting a donation if you needed one.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    NB To those who would opt out, I hope that you will also opt out of accepting a donation if you needed one.

    They probably wouldn't. I quite like the idea of where if I don't say whether or noy I want p[eople to receive my organs after I die, they're given to people anyway. TBH, it's not something I've really thought about.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Who the hell does Liam Donaldson think he is? What gives him, an unelected official, the right to tell us that our bodies should be given to the state when we die? "Presumed consent" is how he puts it. Oh aye? And how would we opt out, exactly?

    Given how pathetically useless this government is when it comes to anything to do with computers, (the NHS computer system, the Tax Credits fiasco a few years ago, etc etc) I suspect anyone who tried to opt out would be trying in vain. Be forced to give parts of my body to others when I die? Apologies for the macabre pun, but it'll be over my dead body.

    Oh yes, it might be worth pointing out that Scotland's Chief Medical Officer has already rubbished the idea. Back to the Ministry of Silly Ideas with that one...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Who the hell does Liam Donaldson think he is? What gives him, an unelected official, the right to tell us that our bodies should be given to the state when we die? "Presumed consent" is how he puts it. Oh aye? And how would we opt out, exactly?

    Given how pathetically useless this government is when it comes to anything to do with computers, (the NHS computer system, the Tax Credits fiasco a few years ago, etc etc) I suspect anyone who tried to opt out would be trying in vain. Be forced to give parts of my body to others when I die? Apologies for the macabre pun, but it'll be over my dead body.

    Oh yes, it might be worth pointing out that Scotland's Chief Medical Officer has already rubbished the idea. Back to the Ministry of Silly Ideas with that one...

    So would you never even consider donating? And do you just purposefully use any available discussion point to criticise the NHS/Education/Anything to do with the government?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Who the hell does Liam Donaldson think he is? What gives him, an unelected official, the right to tell us that our bodies should be given to the state when we die? "Presumed consent" is how he puts it. Oh aye? And how would we opt out, exactly?

    Erm... he isn't telling because he has no right to do that. He gives an opinion as a medic. God help us when people start letting medics comment on health policy eh?
    Oh yes, it might be worth pointing out that Scotland's Chief Medical Officer has already rubbished the idea. Back to the Ministry of Silly Ideas with that one...

    Ah, so when the Chief Medical Officer says it's a good idea then he has no right, but when the Scottish one says it's bad then we should listen?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Who the hell does Liam Donaldson think he is?

    I suspect he thinks he's the Chief Medical Officer (funny that) and such a role means that he should be pushing forward ideas that will improve health services in this country. He's got experience and specialist knowledge, and represents other doctors with similar experience and knowledge, so is in a darn site better position to be coming up with the ideas than some dinwit politician.
    What gives him, an unelected official, the right to tell us that our bodies should be given to the state when we die?

    I think the idea is that the organs to go the patients who need organ transplants, rather than the state.
    Given how pathetically useless this government is when it comes to anything to do with computers, (the NHS computer system, the Tax Credits fiasco a few years ago, etc etc) I suspect anyone who tried to opt out would be trying in vain.

    Well the organ donation register seems to work just fine.
    Oh yes, it might be worth pointing out that Scotland's Chief Medical Officer has already rubbished the idea. Back to the Ministry of Silly Ideas with that one...

    Any reason why he is right and the other is wrong?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Who the hell does Liam Donaldson think he is? What gives him, an unelected official, the right to tell us that our bodies should be given to the state when we die? "Presumed consent" is how he puts it. Oh aye? And how would we opt out, exactly?
    There are almost an infinite number of ways in which people could opt out. I'm sure they'll be given plenty of opportunities throughout their lives to do so.
    Given how pathetically useless this government is when it comes to anything to do with computers, (the NHS computer system, the Tax Credits fiasco a few years ago, etc etc) I suspect anyone who tried to opt out would be trying in vain. Be forced to give parts of my body to others when I die? Apologies for the macabre pun, but it'll be over my dead body.
    Who is forcing anyone? :rolleyes:
    Oh yes, it might be worth pointing out that Scotland's Chief Medical Officer has already rubbished the idea. Back to the Ministry of Silly Ideas with that one...
    Yes, how stupid and selfish to try to think of a way for the tens of thousands of people dying every year or suffering a fate worse than death (such as being linked up to a dialasis machine every 2 days) to be saved/cured.

    But no matter. Let's allow the many tens of thousands of perfectly healthy organs that go to waste every year continue to be eaten by worms or turned into ashes simply because the deceased never got around to confirming his intention to donate his organs and his family don't want to discuss the possibility.

    Unless someone has a personal objection to donating his organs, letting their organs go to waste is paramount to coming up to an accident on the motorway and refusing to stop and help the victims. IMO of course.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    What gives him, an unelected official, the right to tell us that our bodies should be given to the state when we die?

    I know you dont like the government, and I know you think the worst of them, but he isnt suggesting this so The State can have big collection of organs for its evil left wing guardian reading practices - he's suggesting it to save peoples lives.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    Who is forcing anyone? :rolleyes:

    I was wondering the same thing myself.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Opting out will be as easy as opting in. You can probably do it on the net in 10 minutes. Surely it makes sense though, as only 24% of the population have registered as donors - so many people want to, but either never get round to it or their families protest. You wouldn't be saying this if you needed a transplant yourself SG.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ballerina wrote: »
    Opting out will be as easy as opting in. You can probably do it on the net in 10 minutes. Surely it makes sense though, as only 24% of the population have registered as donors - so many people want to, but either never get round to it or their families protest. You wouldn't be saying this if you needed a transplant yourself SG.
    Don't be daft. As I said, given how crap this Government is when it comes to computers, chances are that, if you used some online system to opt out, you'd find a few years later that they hadn't opted you out at all.

    Personally, I would happily put my name on the donor list. Indeed, I will be doing so shortly. However, I'll be doing so voluntarily - not because the Chief Medical Officer says I should.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You're NOT being told to put your name on the register. You're being told that unless you opt not to put your name on the register, it'll go on there automatically.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    In this matter, I would respect the wishes of anyone, until they die.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sofie wrote: »
    You're NOT being told to put your name on the register. You're being told that unless you opt not to put your name on the register, it'll go on there automatically.
    You're being told what to do by the state. You're effectively being forced by nanny on the grounds they think it would be best. Well, the nanny can shove it, for all I care.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    How are you being told what to do? I think most people would welcome the system as it would mean they wouldn't have to spend time registering.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sofie wrote: »
    How are you being told what to do? I think most people would welcome the system as it would mean they wouldn't have to spend time registering.
    Yep. Because the all-powerful nanny state does it for you, presuming that you agree with what it's doing. I happen not to. Which is why I object outright to the idea.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You can always opt out if you feel that you don't really want to donate your organs.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Although should it be for the nanny state to say actually, without you having registered then your organs can't be donated? Or that if you didn't register then your NoK get to choose?

    You'd hope that the 'no action' option would be what the majority would go for, and from general opinions I hear, far more now agree than disagree.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sofie wrote: »
    You can always opt out if you feel that you don't really want to donate your organs.
    You're missing the point. I don't want that lot to opt me in to start with! If I want to donate my organs when I die, I will register voluntarily. (as I've said I will be doing imminently)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    You're missing the point. I don't want that lot to opt me in to start with! If I want to donate my organs when I die, I will register voluntarily. (as I've said I will be doing imminently)

    Ah bless, the Govt might be saving you a job then. You should be thankful. :p

    Of course, in your usual frothing at the mouth reactionary stance on a subject you've completely missed the point. The CMO isn't ordering you to become a donor, he's suggesting that the politicians should consider making it law. In part because 1 person dies every day who could have benefitted from a donated organ, because 24% of the population have opted in when research shows that many more support donation.

    By making that suggestion he starts a public debate on a moral issue which has very clear health benefits. Kind of like his job means that he is supposed to.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The CMO isn't ordering you to become a donor, he's suggesting that the politicians should consider making it law. In part because 1 person dies every day who could have benefitted from a donated organ, because 24% of the population have opted in when research shows that many more support donation.
    If there is such widespread support for organ donation as is claimed, why are there so few on the register? That is the question nobody has answered.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    That is the question nobody has answered.

    Yes they have

    Read that and you get the impression that the CMO's suggestion would lead to a massive increase in "available" organs.

    92% of people support organ donation but only 16% had made the effort to register, less than the number of people who "hadn't got round to it"...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    You're being told what to do by the state. You're effectively being forced by nanny on the grounds they think it would be best. Well, the nanny can shove it, for all I care.
    No you are not. You're being asked a question, and given the chance to choose the option you prefer. What's wrong with that?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    No you are not. You're being asked a question, and given the chance to choose the option you prefer. What's wrong with that?


    It's more a case of being forced to make a conscious decision.
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