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Alcohol and porn banned in aboriginal areas

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6224994.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/australia/story/0,,2108122,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=12
Australia is to ban alcohol and pornography in Aboriginal areas in the Northern Territory in a bid to curb child sex abuse.

All Aboriginal children in the territory will be medically examined.

The new proposals follow a report last week which found evidence of abuse in each of the territory's 45 communities.

The report blamed high levels of alcohol and poverty for the situation, which Prime Minister John Howard has described as a national emergency.

I think this is outrageous tbh. John Howard is such a racist cunt. You get child abuse everywhere, and you cant just single out one community and ban something for aborigine areas but not white areas.
If pornography and alcohol lead to sexual violence, then surely they should ban it everywhere not just in certain areas. I dont think it does - well alcohol leads to violence, but its not fair to just ban it for them, but no others. Also isnt child pornography illegal anyway? I dont see how banning normal porn for them will make any difference to child abuse anyway. Its blatantly a token gesture which wll make no difference, yet pretty much trying to say that its just aborigines who abuse their children
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6224994.stm

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/australia/story/0,,2108122,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=12



    I think this is outrageous tbh. John Howard is such a racist cunt. You get child abuse everywhere, and you cant just single out one community and ban something for aborigine areas but not white areas.
    If pornography and alcohol lead to sexual violence, then surely they should ban it everywhere not just in certain areas. I dont think it does - well alcohol leads to violence, but its not fair to just ban it for them, but no others. Also isnt child pornography illegal anyway? I dont see how banning normal porn for them will make any difference to child abuse anyway. Its blatantly a token gesture which wll make no difference, yet pretty much trying to say that its just aborigines who abuse their children


    Agreed. He cant select certain places over certain others. We know he is a nasty man anyway, this is just the icing on the cake.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The guy's a fucking joke. What is with these people who aren't capable of looking at pieces of evidence when forming their policies? I mean that's the sort of thing I learned when I was in school. Where does this ludicrous idea that pornography leads to sexual violence come from? I imagine South Africa is the porno capital of the world is it?

    And oh yeah, John Howard is a racist cunt too. Imagine if guns were banned in "black areas" in America because there is more gun crime there? There'd be outrage.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yet more proof of Australia's racist Govt agenda when it comes to their indigenous population.

    At what point does the international community say "this is not right"?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    this is just on my mind a lot today.
    How the hell did it get like this. How on earth can these communities be helped?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I beg to differ. I find John Howard very refreshing. Cast your minds back a few years, when that ship full of immigrants was out in the ocean, with people all wanting to come to Australia to live. Howard told them to fuck off. He flatly refused to let a single one come onto Aussie soil, and the public backed him. Wouldn't it be refreshing if we had a leader who wasn't prepared to be bullied by a bunch of human rights obsessed Lefties?

    As for this issue itself... I think the banning of alcohol is unnecessary. A twisted child molester is not going to need alcohol before carrying out acts of evil against a child. Whilst I'd agree that alcoholism must be tackled, this doesn't seem the right way forward to me. Poverty is the issue that must be dealt with, and I await with interest what Mr Howard has to say about that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    I beg to differ. I find John Howard very refreshing. Cast your minds back a few years, when that ship full of immigrants was out in the ocean, with people all wanting to come to Australia to live. Howard told them to fuck off. He flatly refused to let a single one come onto Aussie soil, and the public backed him. Wouldn't it be refreshing if we had a leader who wasn't prepared to be bullied by a bunch of human rights obsessed Lefties?

    As for this issue itself... I think the banning of alcohol is unnecessary. A twisted child molester is not going to need alcohol before carrying out acts of evil against a child. Whilst I'd agree that alcoholism must be tackled, this doesn't seem the right way forward to me. Poverty is the issue that must be dealt with, and I await with interest what Mr Howard has to say about that.

    Why is it so good that some immigrants were not allowed in? You really do hold some xenophobic opinions. Whats so bad about Human Rights? Wouldn you rather not have any?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    I beg to differ. I find John Howard very refreshing. Cast your minds back a few years, when that ship full of immigrants was out in the ocean, with people all wanting to come to Australia to live. Howard told them to fuck off. He flatly refused to let a single one come onto Aussie soil, and the public backed him.

    And yet they seem happy to accept my, white, brother in law and his family...

    It's bollocks. racism is alive and well in Oz and numerous laws over the years have proven that. Do we need to talk about how they treated Aboriginal children not so long ago?

    ETA and you wonder why I suggested that you are reactionary on race issues. There is a very good question which is often asked in cases like that you mention - why should we help these people, why should we house them, feed them, clothe them. Why should we offer them economic refugee status? The answer is simple. Because we can.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    I beg to differ. I find John Howard very refreshing. Cast your minds back a few years, when that ship full of immigrants was out in the ocean, with people all wanting to come to Australia to live. Howard told them to fuck off. He flatly refused to let a single one come onto Aussie soil, and the public backed him. Wouldn't it be refreshing if we had a leader who wasn't prepared to be bullied by a bunch of human rights obsessed Lefties?
    You are a beacon of compassion and goodness aren't you? :rolleyes:
    As for this issue itself... I think the banning of alcohol is unnecessary. A twisted child molester is not going to need alcohol before carrying out acts of evil against a child. Whilst I'd agree that alcoholism must be tackled, this doesn't seem the right way forward to me. Poverty is the issue that must be dealt with, and I await with interest what Mr Howard has to say about that.
    Being what he is, "Arbeit macht frei" would be my guess.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Renzo wrote: »
    Why is it so good that some immigrants were not allowed in? You really do hold some xenophobic opinions. Whats so bad about Human Rights? Wouldn you rather not have any?
    The way you go on, you'd think that, before the Human Rights Act was brought in, there was mass abuses of human rights going on in the UK. I don't recall Amnesty International writing up reports about torture in Britain during the late 1990s, for instance.

    The immigrants were illegals. They weren't supposed to be there in the first place. If they want to go and live in Australia that much, they can apply legally, not try and sneak in on a ship. Of course, in the UK, you know what would happen. The Left, led by The Guardian and the BBC, would moan relentlessly about these people's "human rights" until the Government capitulated and let them all in. This despite the fact that not one of them would have any entitlement to be here. But of course, to Lefties, such facts don't matter.
    Aladdin wrote: »
    You are a beacon of compassion and goodness aren't you?
    And why did those illegals deserve any compassion?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    The immigrants were illegals. They weren't supposed to be there in the first place. If they want to go and live in Australia that much, they can apply legally, not try and sneak in on a ship.
    Gosh you can be dim sometimes...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    Gosh you can be dim sometimes...
    Had they applied legally to live in Australia, then? If they had, there must be something in the coverage I missed. Australia owed those people nothing. It gave them nothing. That's how it should be.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    And why did those illegals deserve any compassion?

    Perhaps the question should be, why didn't they?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Perhaps the question should be, why didn't they?
    They're on a crowded ship sailing in the oceans. Suddenly, conditions on board aren't too good. We then see them asking another country to let them board. Do you really think those people would all have gone back on the ship afterwards? Of course not. Half of them would have applied for asylum within five minutes. I have no compassion for such people.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    But what is wrong with that? Or are you willing to settle for no more in life than you have right now? Don't you want to better yourself, to improve you living conditions etc?

    Why should people be stopped from doing that, purely because of accident of birth?

    Sad though it is, I often get the impression that your views are more based on race than on any compassionate (or lack of) grounds... either that or you are some sort of sociopath who wouldn't feed a starving child...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I am all in favour of people bettering themselves. Indeed, that's mostly what I've preached over the years. I condemn the British education system, for example, because I believe it holds back the very best and stops people from achieving more with their lives. I have no problem with immigrants either. Indeed, Britain wouldn't be Britain if it wasn't for immigration. I think this country has a fairly good mix of people in it, so don't even try to play the race card with me.

    However, I can't condone illegal immigrants. If they are that desperate to improve their lives, I see no reason why they can't try going through the official channels and applying legally. Have you seen the pictures of immigrants coming through the English Channel on the back of lorries, sometimes underneath them? If they made one step wrong, they could be paralysed for life, or might die altogether. I can't condone anything which makes people take such horrendous risks with their lives.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Who are these "lefties" you talk off? I'm always quite baffled when people use such abstractive terms.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    Have you seen the pictures of immigrants coming through the English Channel on the back of lorries, sometimes underneath them? If they made one step wrong, they could be paralysed for life, or might die altogether. I can't condone anything which makes people take such horrendous risks with their lives.

    People take these risks because death is imminant in their own country anyway. You think it's easy emigrating to other countries legally? It's quite hard even for us white people nevermind them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yerascrote wrote: »
    People take these risks because death is imminant in their own country anyway. You think it's easy emigrating to other countries legally?
    No, of course not. But unlike those trying to smuggle themselves into a country, (or paying huge bounties to gangs to do it for them) by applying legally, you are not risking possible death.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    If they are that desperate to improve their lives, I see no reason why they can't try going through the official channels and applying legally.

    Seeing as we were actually talking about Oz, do you have any idea how much it costs to get yourself a visa?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    I beg to differ. I find John Howard very refreshing. Cast your minds back a few years, when that ship full of immigrants was out in the ocean, with people all wanting to come to Australia to live. Howard told them to fuck off. He flatly refused to let a single one come onto Aussie soil, and the public backed him. Wouldn't it be refreshing if we had a leader who wasn't prepared to be bullied by a bunch of human rights obsessed Lefties?


    Are these the immigrants that subsequently drowned?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    And why did those illegals deserve any compassion?


    Errrr...the same reason anyone deserves compassion?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Immigrants, human rights, SG- your rock is deep dark and heavy!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yerascrote wrote: »
    Who are these "lefties" you talk off? I'm always quite baffled when people use such abstractive terms.

    I reckon it's just a word he heard in the Daily Mail one time and has been spouting it as an attempted derogatory term in any thread he disagrees with since then. If lefty refers to someone who supports human rights, then I'm proud to be one, but I suspect that all the people of a more right-wing persuasion who are also advocates of human rights might be a little insulted by that insinuation.

    On the whole boaty thing, I was under the impression that the people onboard were in fact asylum seekers, not illegal immigrants. Not that I'd expect SG to make the distinction, since they're all just johnny foreigners looking for a free meal ticket, obviously. :rolleyes:

    On the question of why John Howard can get away with this obvious racism, I think he's been very careful in saying that certain areas of the country will have a pornography ban and alcohol ban, and it just so happens that these are the more Aboriginal areas. If he'd actually said that Aboriginies couldn't buy these items, but other ethnic groups could, there would be widespread condemnation at the highest level of politics. As it is, he's avoided it because everyone in politics is too gutless to point out what we all know is going on. I'd expect this type of shit in Zimbabwe, I wouldn't expect it in Australia.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    I am all in favour of people bettering themselves. Indeed, that's mostly what I've preached over the years. I condemn the British education system, for example, because I believe it holds back the very best and stops people from achieving more with their lives. I have no problem with immigrants either. Indeed, Britain wouldn't be Britain if it wasn't for immigration. I think this country has a fairly good mix of people in it, so don't even try to play the race card with me.

    However, I can't condone illegal immigrants. If they are that desperate to improve their lives, I see no reason why they can't try going through the official channels and applying legally. Have you seen the pictures of immigrants coming through the English Channel on the back of lorries, sometimes underneath them? If they made one step wrong, they could be paralysed for life, or might die altogether. I can't condone anything which makes people take such horrendous risks with their lives.

    mind if i ask you how you expect someone to apply for refugee statu immigration from a country where theres a war or a dictator? and to get papers from their government, in say a country like somalia where there isn't a government as we know it?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    Had they applied legally to live in Australia, then? If they had, there must be something in the coverage I missed. Australia owed those people nothing. It gave them nothing. That's how it should be.
    Let's see if we can get you to grasp the situation properly.

    Are you aware the practically all immigrants who risk death by attempting to reach a country illegally by sea are escaping persecution, war or famine?

    Considering the above, how exactly do you propose that a person in such position could

    a) afford a passport

    b) afford a visa

    c) be given a passport

    d) be granted a visa


    I suppose they should just accept their fate and be murdered/starve to death because it would be just unnaceptable if they were to break the law wouldn't it? :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    also how the hell did this land up about immigration, if SG wishes to be so harsh on immigration we should kick john howard out of australia :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    Are you aware the practically all immigrants who risk death by attempting to reach a country illegally by sea are escaping persecution, war or famine?
    I question whether those on that boat were trying to escape persecution. The point is, if that ship was allowed to dock in Australia, the temptation to make a claim of asylum there would have been huge. I have no problem with people trying to escape murdering, tyrannical regimes. For example, those who want out of Zimbabwe, under the brutal Robert Mugabe, is more than welcome to come to the UK.
    also how the hell did this land up about immigration, if SG wishes to be so harsh on immigration we should kick john howard out of australia :p
    I'd prefer if we kicked Tony Blair out of this country. Preferably re-settle him in a plush apartment in central Baghdad.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    I'd prefer if we kicked Tony Blair out of this country. Preferably re-settle him in a plush apartment in central Baghdad.

    other than the point of the joke being missed i hear bagdad is quite cheap at this time of year
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    other than the point of the joke being missed i hear bagdad is quite cheap at this time of year
    Lots of gunshots can be heard at night time, apparently. But that's enough about Nottingham.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    I question whether those on that boat were trying to escape persecution. The point is, if that ship was allowed to dock in Australia, the temptation to make a claim of asylum there would have been huge.

    Yeah fuck 'em, let 'em drown fucking nig nogs, eh stargalaxy?
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