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Of course, here it comes. You record actually shows, as I have tried to point out before, a rather strange approach on issues of race.
You seem to care which country they came from though. Your attitude is "they're not from this country, the door's closed" rather than actually getting them into the country and seeing whether they have a genuine case for asylum, and judging them as individuals on a case by case basis. But I guess it doesn't matter if a few foreigners die of persecution eh? After all, they haven't put any money into our (Australia's) tax system, why do they deserve our help? It may not be racism in the skin colour sense, but it's still judging an entire group of people purely on the basis of them being "outsiders" requesting asylum in your country, which is prejudice that is just as bad (the fact that you continue to refer to them as illegal immigrants proves you have little interest in treating these people with any sort of dignity, respect or compassion).
In some countries people get married at 13 and start having kids.
Aborigines are treated like shit there already. The whole thing is patronising.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/australia/story/0,,2109494,00.html
But 477 people drowned in one incident of a boat trying to reach Australia. Howard had military patrols in place to shoot at boats trying to reach Australia, but didn't mount any attempted rescue for many hours. Only 44 asylum seeker survived. These people were fleeing Iraq, Iran, Afganistan and other countries with terrible human rights record.
They died in 2001, after spending almost two years practically imprisoned in Indonesia (another country with terrible human rights records). They were in the water for 19 hours before being found, by chance by a local fisherman.
One father described how his daughter repeatedly slipped from his shoulders into the water, until finally he had no strength to hold her up. One boy of 8 lost 21 members of his family.
Immigration Minister, at the time, Philip Ruddock described the event by saying - 'It may have an upside, In the sense that some people may see the dangers inherent in <travelling to Australia>'
Just a week later, off the coast of Christmas Island another boat was sinking with refugees on board. Howard mobilised the navy to prevent the attempted rescue operation by local members of the population and to make sure that not one of the refugees should be able to touch Australian land.
And the supposed legal routes? At the time the government had refused to take a single one of the 5,000 Middle Eastern asylum seekers in Indonesia, 500 of whom the UN had already recognised as refugees. Moreover, the government accepted only 21 Afghani refugees in 2000, had no immigration officials hearing claims in Iraq and in 2001 halved its annual intake of refugees applying from overseas to 4,000.
When children drown and SG you cheer someone for 'not being bullied by the lefties', essentially implying that this kind of immigration policy is just what Britain needs - then it seems entirely justified that people should be able to ask whether it's about race, right or wrong.
I can't believe you'd support the mass drowning of British people, so why support a policy that leads to the mass drowning of people from the Middle East?
Any advanced nation on this Earth should be able to respond to the drowning of people in their seas, even if they aren't going to permanently allow those people to stay what kind of government thinks of dead children floating in the water as a positive warning to other immigrants?
Here here. Well said Jim.
your post brought tears to my eyes.
Can you bring yourself to do that and to condemn Howard as the fucking cunt he is?
The point was to clarify whether you really were aware of what you were suggesting for this country - so in a roundabout way you've answered that. Which I'm glad about, I found it difficult to believe you did support that kind of solution to immigration.
What is?
That support for the Howard regime's actions might be seen as being based on an attitude towards race.
Hence why I wanted to clarify, by showing you what had actually happened, that using Howard as a shorthand example of what you believe actually makes you appear much more extreme to other posters than you actually are.
justt so you know i dont think youre demeneted - i just think you fail to see the other kind of view
its fair australia seeks to limit the amountn of asylum seekers (to enable the ones they do look after,to be as fair as possible, its just their general treatment of them that suggest australia would rather seee them die than give them refugeee status thats unfair that pissies me off, i went australia as a kid (i could pass thier immigration tests now) but id rather live in new zealand now to be fair simply due to john howard
As to the original point the telling thing for me is the point of the report that (rather obviously) makes it clear that factors that contributed to abuse are -
'They included unemployment, poor health and nutrition, overcrowded housing, substance abuse and pornography'
Yet the plan is not to do anything about health, education, housing or the other factors. As such it seems like a direct excuse to remove self-rule from these communities and bring them under direct government control by way of this excuse.
Checking all computers, medical checks on all children, an implication that somehow one group in Australia aren't the same as other Australians. As mentioned in the report, white people may still be able to buy alcohol in the same community, but they won't. Which can only be seen as apartheid in my eyes.
And I'd be very surprised if any aboriginal communities will be demanding equal rights, better housing, return of native land or better social support whilst Howard controls their government...
Because he cannot see the links between this action and the other racist actions of the Australian Govt. Whilst his views may not be based on racism, I have no doubt that Howards are.
Yes there are problems with alcoholism and child abuse on Aboriginal areas, perhaps Howard would be better finding out if the policies of numerous Aussie Govts have helped to cause this...
Nah. People who have fantasies over children and knowingly abue children have mental problems. The problem is that there's a lack of provision and admission on behalf of paedophiles.