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Why are there even sides...surely if you believe in God and the belief in good, you cannot possibly do murderous or violent things anyway...so clearly the message is being lost somewhere.
What the fuck are you on about you silly little man?
Dis-no matter what situation you always find a way to bring the Israeli-Palestinian issue in. Get a grip!
And for anyone who slags off Catholics, it's not our fault the hierarchy is corrupt, there's millions of good decent Catholics who arguable are the most fervent believers in the world so stop slagging them off.
Read my post and tell me where I was 'outraged'. Unfortunately anybody familiar with the behaviour of so many Palestinians finds it hard to feel outrage or surprise when they show how religiously tolerant they are. There are exceptions of course but the democratically elected representatives of the Palestinians remain one of the most violent, homophobic and anti-Semitic terrorist groups on the planet.
I do not support murder or starvation and the State of Israel is guilty of either but I do condemn Israel where appropriate.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/5353850.stm
Absolutely sick.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5353208.stm
I don't see why he should be saying sorry, he has done nothing wrong.
"two churches in the West Bank were attacked with firebombs in what was believed to be a reaction to the Bavaria speech."
Muslims peace loving?
Some are, some aren't. Same as any other group of people really.
I wish people would learn to distinguish between Islam and Islamism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism
That is absolutely sick, disgusting and inexcusable, and every Muslim I know who has heard about those incidents has condemned them.
Muslim leaders have condemned every terrorist atrocity that has happened in the name of Islam.
On my part I have given a talk at my local church on the Sunday after 9/11, have signed written condemnations sent to local papers and reiterated my community's sentiments to the Bishop of London in a private meeting at his office in mid-June.
Just because the media doesn't convey every condemnation to your home it doesn't mean it hasn't happened.
It is exactly this type of comment and generalisation that leads to many Muslims feeling marginalised.
This view lead to me being called Bin-Laden and threatened with violence by total strangers as I was walking to my parked car (luckily some people from a nearby pub came to my rescue) not to mention people moving away from me on the tube after 7/7.
It is also because of this viewpoint that many completely normal, innocent (Muslim) people are afraid to say the 'B word' (bomb) or the 'J word' (jihad) whilst talking about news events inside their own homes in case their house is stormed by the police.
I suspect you will find that those muslims still ranting and complaining make out and out anti christian statements on a fairly regular basis and yet there is no outcry. It's funny how the Vatican is assumed to be in the wrong.
When you say 'they' - I hope you mean extremeists, rather than muslims....
He should be smart enough to know that everyone one of his words would be picked apart by the media of the entire world
1. Because he is the pope and leader of so many
2. Because he was born a German and people still haven't forgotten the terror and violence his home nation brought to the world in WWII.
He's trying to get out of what he said by stating he's quoting someone from centuries back, well what's the point in having a living Pope in the first place if they can't speak for themselves instead of having to quote people from the past that many centuries ago.
He seems to lose out on two fronts, the by quoting someone from centuries back who said Muhammed was evil, but what about those who killed on the crusades to spread christianity across the world or the Nazi's from his home country and their violence?
He's simply should have steered well clear of the subject and if he really wanted to touch upon it he should have used his own words not quoted from someone else long dead.
Well since he's been in academia for much of his life quoting past thinkers is a pretty normal thing to do...:rolleyes:
The Pope isn't in the wrong here. Those in the wrong are the thousands of Muslims who lack the ability to distinguish between personal remarks and quotations. However, even if the remarks made were the Pope's own personal views that would still not have justified the response of many Muslims. The view that Islam or the main strands within it are incompatible with freedom of speech is quickly gaining credence. In both the cartoons controversy and recent events with the Pope the 'mainstream' Muslim Council of Britain has not defended freedom of speech merely demanding apologies and making only very muted criticism of violent Islamist responses.
Going further back the backwardness of the Muslim Council of Britain is evident from a BBC programme where Iqbal Sacranie was reported as saying with regards to Salman Rushdie:
If that is not bad enough Sacranie goes as far as rejecting free speech; if even this supposedly moderate Muslim cannot accept free speech – a fundamental part of our democracy what do the extremists think?
BBC link.
Plenty of gay people thought the last Pope spoke a lot of nonsense with regard to homosexuality – and the last Pope was speaking for himself, he wasn’t quoting anybody. Yet I don’t think any gay people murdered nuns and I doubt there were burning effigies in Brighton. Recent events are really showing how under attack free speech is.
Reaction.
In the UK, the Muslim Council of Britain and MPACUK were quick to condemn the Pope...
The Iranians say the "The Pope's remarks were the latest chain of the crusade against Islam" and that "The Great Satan (United States) is playing its role in this issue..."
Of course many Muslims are indifferent or merely keeping their views private - but you surely cannot deny that the reaction of many other Muslims is pretty different to how other groups offended by the Pope have behaved?
I'd like to think so but it remains a sad fact that there is a very large minority of Muslims that hold some extremely warped views. Even amongst British Muslims as the research by Populus displayed there is some very worrying stuff. The cartoons controversy showed that a huge number of Muslims even in this country don't respect freedom of expression.
The Pope has a duty to know when to open his mouth and when to keep it shut... what to say and what not to say.
If he started quoting speeches from Hitler against the Jews would that be appropriate?
To quote someone who lived over 600 years ago and say...
"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman,..."
Is not exactly going to endear him to the 20% or so of the world's population who are Muslim.
And as pointed out for someone of his age, born of German decent from a time when the Nazi's were in power to go back to Germany and speak of Muhammad being evil is a bit of a cheek when his own countrymen killed an estimated 6 million Jews in concentration camps... and that happened a lot more recently then the person he quoted from 600 years ago.