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No, it doesn't. It's the institutions using religion as a way to obtain power.
It's all political, and believers and decent churches and organisations shouldn't suffer under this.
I might as well say atheism should be banned it leads to death, on the background of Stalin and Hitler :rolleyes:
Oook, I'm back
All Hallows Eve is one of the few celebrations used in Western tradition that actually celebrates an eve and not the day time, seeing as the celts measured the turning of the day by the moon (I think). I've actually booked it off work to celebrate, it's the pagan holiday called Samhain (pronounced "sow" as in a female pig and "en"... "sow-en"), the celtic new year. It's also a time of mischief and what many cultures use to celebrate the dead and the afterlife. So my friend and I are skipping college to make masks and hopefully we'll have a party
Ladyjade, you'd like a link.... Hold on...
Gnosis.org
There we go! That'll have the missing gospels from the collection of books that we now know as the Bible (old and new testement) that were found in Egypt in the 1940s.
Actually, HIV can even be carried by mosquitos now and AIDs is an epidemic in Africa. People could be born with it because the parent was affected and not know they've got it. Also, in poorer countries they aren't educated about things like that.
So why can't gay priests get ordained?
I wouldn't say so. I'd say that without a religion of some sort somewhere, society would fall in to a state of anomie. Also, you cannot tar every religious person with the same brush. Look at Mother Teresa for example, she did a lot for the world as do many religious charities.
You could argue that a Christian cannot commit a self-less act as they do everything to get in to heaven though. It's the powerful grabbing hold of religion and distorting it that leads to death... the affluent. In my opinion of course.
Interesting that the last world leaders to think like that were Maximilien Robespierre, Adolf Hitler and Pol Pot.
Just a thought.
Nice generalisation...........
Its true in many cases though. Or certainly it wouldnt spread anywhere near as fast if everyone stuck to one partner.
Let's not forget that HIV is a problem in this country too, with heterosexual cases now growing faster than homosexual cases or drug-related ones.
For the Catholic Church to say "well if you obeyed 'God's Decree' :rolleyes: and stayed monogamous nothing would happen" is simply evil. Not the fiercest promises of eternal hell and pain are going to stop people from sleeping with more than one partner. It's just an instinct or urge we can't repress. However many of those same people will not wear a condom if the murdering scum at the Vatican tell them not to. That is a decision they have more willpower to make, and the very last thing we need is those stupid idiots telling people not to wear condoms because the only protection they need is to stay faithful.
As far as I'm concerned the fat one and his gang should be prosecuted for manslaughter.
And you have proof of this?
Hrm, I'd say that that's societal and based on time. For example, a woman found pregnant outside of marriage a couple of hundred years ago would have been locked up and diagnosed with 'nymphomania'. You could argue that secularisation has caused a decline in values... or that we have nothing to be ashamed of sexuality-wise (or that religion is not really in decline, it is simply now more 'specialised').
I'd say that a lot of people in the middle ages and up to the mid twentieth centuary were very religious, in my opinion and they didn't sleep around as much because of their moral values (apart from prostitutes). Personally I don't think it's that we can't repress it... but more we no longer have to behave in such a prudish manner.
Indeed, according to the Catholic church sex is entirely for procreation... which is probably why my brother's friend has so many brothers and sisters. The protestant church however are more leniant on contraceptives although isn't most of the religion in Africa Islam and Totemism anyway?
Maybe I shoulda quoted this...
the whole idea of religous belief is to seperate oneself from the life of lust and materialism of the world and to aim for higher ...or other things. there is nothing wrong with someone believing and teaching marital/sexual/moral issues that we don't like.
those who don't agree should not be catholics.
if you join a men only club and you know the rules, the standards etc that are expected of you ...you wouldn't expect to be let in with a female. if you disagree then go and join some other club.
this is why i cant understand why gay people want to join the church of england. go and start your bloody own in stead of dismantling someone elses.
i would still love to see the destruction of all organised religion though. i believe it will destroy itself before long.
Regardless of whatever their rules might say, many people will find it impossible to stay monogamous or to have sex only within matrimony. Just as every last person in the world has had at some point 'impure thoughts', regardless of divine commandments or threats of fiery demons and eternal hell.
And since that is the score, it is extremely idiotic and irresponsible at best (although I rather see it as manslaughter) for the fat one and his minions to say that as well as being against god, condoms are useless against HIV, and that staying monogamous as per god's decree is all the protection a catholic needs.
The catholic church is unfit to give any kind of health advice and should shut the fuck up.
She wasn't very happy that she would not be taking the First Holy Communion but at the end of the day I think its best left till she is older.
For you information, Islam was teaching Christianity many lessons about harmony, tolerance and respect for women as long ago as the the 11th century. The Christians were the original barbarians, and in many parts of the world little has changed.
Sadly there will always be a few idiots who use their religion as a pretext to commit atrocities. Muslims extremists for instance. Or George W. Bush.
It makes perfect sense. Without meaning to sound hateful, if everyone only had one sexual partner then the spread of HIV and AIDs would practically stop- the main ways of spreading HIV are through sex (and the more sex you have, the more likely you are to catch ANY STD) and drug needles. If each HIV+ person only slept with one person, then at the very most only one more person would catch the disease. Its simple biology.
Its not an African problem solely, and if it sounded like I was having a go at Africa then thats unfortunate. Its a global problem, and in the UK the problem is women especially having unprotected sex. Hence why the Catholic Church's position on condoms is ridiculous.
Not everyone is promiscuous. It depends on when and where you find "the one" really.
And just a reminder not to make sweeping generalisations about a group of people that could be considered defamatory, hateful or profane.......... Please back up your opinions with facts.
All of it, not just random passages?
Who here has even read all of the Bible?
And would it even matter if you haven't read the two in their original language?
People get quotes from the two, and build their perception out of those.
I don't even believe that she has.
She can have been taught in a Muslim school, going around in Muslim circles etc. but never read the Quran from one end to another.
You must have noticed that Paul 2 has never made a sensible comment on here though.................:rolleyes:
*Puts her hand in the air* I used to be a devout Christian and I have a few things to say on the matter...
Ok, I'll start on this. I respect your belief Mr Roll and it is very applicable to most world religions, however... I'd argue that there's a difference between original texts and how the church has interpretted and enforced it. I have so far of all religious texts only studied the Bible.
According to Jesus we should live our life "in all fullness" (Jn 10:10) and you could interpret this in a multitude of ways. Living life to its fullest to one person could be seeing the world and to another, just chilling with some smokes. In fact the Bible teaches a lot of very relevent values... yet at the same time it's been twisted by the Churches in to something homophobic and mysoginist and power hungry (as well as some gospels having been left out). For example, in the third centuary St Augustine emphasised the importance of fidelity, of keeping to one partner... and then goes to blame women for tempting men in to evil ways.
Yet the Bible, if you look deeply enough in to certain parts of it is not mysoginistic at all (apart from Paul... him and his homophobic fascist letters). Women have a role to play... but then they're mostly virgins or widows which, maybe backs up what Augustine said in some ways.
By attempting to compare an organised religion to a denomination of Christianity, I immediately assume that you have no idea what you're on about.