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ok, this is the first time I've posted in this section I think. I'm actually in the middle of an essay for uni entitled ""Discuss the significance of the MacPherson (1999) recommendations on 'race' equality in British Society".
Anyway, to do this I've been looking at the annual reports that are published and I have realised that things don't really seem to be improving much. Black and Asian youths are still more likely to be stopped and searched for example.
Anyway, i was just wondering what people's opinions on this subject are. Do you think the MacPherson recommendations actually made that much of a difference?
Since its been 10yrs since the death of Stephen Lawrence I thought some people might have opinions on the topic.
Plus if anyone wants to write my essay for me I'd be more than grateful! hehe.
Anyway, to do this I've been looking at the annual reports that are published and I have realised that things don't really seem to be improving much. Black and Asian youths are still more likely to be stopped and searched for example.
Anyway, i was just wondering what people's opinions on this subject are. Do you think the MacPherson recommendations actually made that much of a difference?
Since its been 10yrs since the death of Stephen Lawrence I thought some people might have opinions on the topic.
Plus if anyone wants to write my essay for me I'd be more than grateful! hehe.
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Shameful that Sir Paul Condom at first resisted the ridiculous institutionally racist tag but under obvious political pressure, accepted it
They never proved a thing against the Lawrence lads and never will
No mention of the numerous whites murdered by non-whites - not on the political agenda, is it?
Truth hurts doesn't it?
Yeah... ridiculous indeed... Next you will tell us the BNP is full of good people.
Lads? Don't you mean wankstain racist scumbags?
Yes, and we all know why. We also know the five wankstain racist scumbags, or "lads" as you prefer to call them, are about as innocent as Adolf Hitler, and about as likeable as a child molester.
I think you'd be much happier in a BNP/football holigan message board where you can exchange such "informed" views with like-minded people.
Yes its 10 years since Lawrence died, its also a year sice Gavin Hopley and Ross Parker were murdered, no paper coverage for them though, thats not on your agenda is it Aladdin?.
You ever actually studied the case, there was no way in the world a guilty verdict could be delivered. No way in the world, Im amazed you seem to have more knowledge of the case than the judge and jury.
well, when 60-70% of Londons prison population is black, I think its fair that they do, why should the police be stopped from doing there job just because someone is a different colour?
Wankstain, I think I know the only one looking a 'wankstain' in this thread is
Mr Frenchie
One of the main stumbling blocks in the prosecution was that pillar of society and great thinker Duwayne Brooks. Lawrence's mate, who changed his identification evidence quite a few times times during the trials
What are the legacies of MacPherson, a host of over-promoted black police officers lording it over than more talented colleagues, expansion of the Race Relations industry and of course nore crime and violence going unchecked
Duwayne Brooks got to be dodgy, why else would the police have reason to continually arrest him, shame the charges were continually dropped through lack of evidence.
I'm sure one day they will get to sue the Daily Mail for they're false accusation of murder.
MURDER IS WRONG REGARDLESS OF COLOUR
ALL VICTIMS R.I.P
Every single organisation is institutionally racist if you believe the definition used by MacPherson. Including the Comission for Racial Equality. In fact, if you use his definition, I'm sure that you are racist to Aladdin...
That's why the report should be condemned to the waste paper bin. It just undoes most of the good work of the past couple of decades.
This may have something to do with the fact that they are searched more often - therefore the likelyhood of find a criminal increases. It may also be related to the increased chance of a black defendant being given a custodial compared to a white defendant. It may be because the custodial sentences are often longer for blacks.
Sometimes raw statistics give a misleading picture and you need to drill down a little further...
Never mind secretly filmed footage of some of the accused practising at home the best way to use a knife in order to "kill a nigger".
The fact is all the recent talk about getting rid of the double jeopardy rule is partially fuelled by this specific case. Because if there was to be a fair re-trial those 5 poor excuses for human beings would be found guilty rather quickly.
So much as I hate the Daily Mail, I take my hat off to their calling the five scumbags murderers and challenging them to sue. Such a shame that they didn’t isn’t it?
And how pathetically typical of racist apologists to drop names of white victims of racial crime. Have you read the title of this thread? Do you know what are we discussing here? Do you want to compare numbers of white victims of racial crime against non-whites?
Not a chance, never was, never will be
Aladdin, you just make it up as you go along, don't you?
The thought of those heroes of the British White being jailed is horrendous isn't it?
Well at least they'd become cause celebre amongst racists, just as David Copeland is. What are your thoughts on him Solo?
However, i dislike the whole situation around the macpherson report. It seems to whip up hysteria but change nothing...
People complain about stop and search but i cant see a problem with it..
Ok racists regularly go on about how blacks/asians are more likely to commit crime and try to back up their claims with prison stats. The counter argument ive most often seen used is that crime is associated with poverty, a higher percentage of blacks/asians live under the poverty line and therefore thats the reason why there are proportionally more blacks/asians in prison.
I totally agree with this..Crime comes from poverty, not race.
Now, the problem I have is that this same logic is not applied to the stop and search situation by the exact same people who use it to dispute the prison numbers.
Stop and search generally targets those in poor areas, those who look poor, dodgy etc. There are a number of examples of black guys being stopped in 'white' neighbourhoods etc, but that isnt the main area of stop and search.
Again, blacks and asians happen to moreoften be under the poverty line, living in the 'ghetto' areas and are victim to more stop and searches as a result of that, not their skin colour.
Thats my opinion anyway..
Why would there never be a chance of them being found guilty should there be a re-trial? Hmmmmm?
Aladdin, unlike you, thinks through his arguments and makes a good deal of sense. You on the other hand are small minded, racist and to put it bluntly - scum.
er.........hate t burst ur bubble but last home office figures I read stated that whites are the biggest VICTIMS of racial crime. I havent got time now, but Ill get the facts for you later.
though I dont see the point.........you have made your argument and I believe you will stick to it......
........even if the judge, courts, police and jury disagree....but of course they are wrong and Aladdin from London is right eh?
That's an unproved assertion to start with
Never will - lets see, 2 murder trials which collapsed, a coroners court with maximum publicity, Daily Mail (large circulaton) headline 'Murderers'
I'd be very worried about the vindictiveness of British justice if this matter ever came before the courts again
I think they would have brought fresh charges if they had anything up their sleeve
Best put to bed now, other cases to deal with unless they want to appease the Race lobby for ever more
Solo, there are many trials that collapse due to technicalities or fuck ups by the prosecution or the police, even when it is bleeding obvious the accussed are guilty as hell. Because of current laws is next to impossible to get a second trial so the accused get literally away with murder. Most recent high profile case was Damilola Taylor's. Do you remember him?
With regard to the five scumbags' presumed innocence, let's put it this way: there is much, much more incriminating evidence of those five murdering Lawrance than of Osama bin Laden being behind 9/11. Yet I'd bet a month's wages Solo here and others did not hesitate about bin Laden's culpability for one second, and wished he'd been killed even without standing trial.
Yes, another case where a Black victim was given a great deal of Police attention and where politicians cosied up to the the family. Boateng giving a speech at the funeral. A nasty inner-city case where thick kids were acting hard, they weren't white, of turkish origin, 2 of them, AFAIK
WTF does that have to do with with this thread. Why do assume what I'd think about that. Keep your ' month's wages ', I have enough change in my pocket, thanks:D
As for the 'black businessman', what are the police to do, dealing with rising drug-crime by black criminals who also have a penchant for top of the range BMWs.
It irritated you that the Damilola case got so much attention did it? I wonder if that was also the case with Sarah Payne's murder...
The omniscient, all-knowing Aladdin sees all
the Damilola case must have been a disappointment to the press , assailants not white. If ppl live in Peckham that's what goes on there
Cheap shot referring to Sarah Payne, but as I said before, Aladdin, you just make it up as you go along, don't you?
Trans: You had a point
Just remember re: Damilola/Lawrence cases (plus numerous other cases throughout our history) - the verdict in a court of law doesn't necessarily equal "the Truth", just an indication of whether a person in deemed guilty/innocent in the eyes of The Law. It is possible to be guilty, yet found innocent and vice versa.
Why? Because it exposes you? Because you find it annoying that the brutal murder of an innocent 10 year old black kid gets press coverage (presumably because you don't think it's much of a deal)? So I'll ask you again: did you also find the press coverage regarding the brutal murder of Sarah Payne annoying?
No, I found it very much more moving. The crimes are quite dissimilar in nature, do you understand that?
Absolute classic! For those of us who dont understand that. Please tell us further how the murder of one child moves you more than another.
*coughcolour of skincough*
not 'coughcolour of skincough' but something about the nature of a little girls abduction and all that followed
Sarah Payne's funeral arrangements weren't quite given the State ceremony status of those in the Damilola/Lawrence cases
This weeks 10th yr Lawrence church service had Ministerial presence, a bit of political capital to be milked
If you HONESTLY HONESTLY believe that the difference between the press coverage of Damilola Taylor and Sarah Payne was because of skin colour I would seriously suggest you get some kind of medical help. I wont go into it, 99% of people know exactly why this was the case.
To be honest I am finding it difficult to take anything serious you say at the moment, you are starting to sound like a lunatic.
aye Solo I think he is coming across as the most 'I know it all' person I have ever seen any message board:(
Read it again to see if you get it. If not, here it is:
At no point I have suggested the press coverage between the Taylor and Payne cases was different. I have asked, however, if Solo felt the press coverage about Payne's murder was annoying.
Because, you see, he found the press coverage about Taylor annoying. And since everything Solo has posted so far seems to point out that he might be a bit of a racist- and I don't seem to be the only one who thinks that- I was just checking if he also found the press coverage about Payne's murder annoying. Just to confirm my suspicions really.
Anything else I can help you with?
I might well have responded to 2 different childrens' murders differently for reasons other than race , but it's 'elementary dear Watson, the scoundrel is a racist' from Aladdin
So does the Press, some go un noticed, there was one in Manchester not dissimilar to the Taylor case, paragraph on p3 job
How do you know that, Aladdin, was in in a tabloid?Maybe the Met tried to hard with that witness, why , not to avoid 'echoes of Stephen Lawrence' criticisms. Just a thought
I'd genuinely like to know any background on the Taylor case that slipped my attention so thanks in advance for answering my question
The police fucked up, of that there is no doubt. If the coppers who fucked up had been sacked thered have been no problem, but to say they fucked up because Lawrence is black is preposterous. They left him alone, which was an horrendous mistake, but in that part of London the streets are full of black men sleeping pissed simply because it is a predominantly black area. If Lawrence was white the police would still have fucked up, but noone would have complained. Quelle surprise.
And its the same with the trial- there is no doubt that those who attacked Lawrence are guilty as sin, but theres no proof. the police fucked up some of it, much much mroe of it was circumstantial. However, despite guilt, the law could no prove guilt, so they are innocent- the tabloids and Lawrences gobshite of a mother cannot do the job of the judicial system.
MacPherson did more harm to race relations in thsi country than anything else in the last ten years- I believe the gobshite in that report can be pinned back to the rise of the BNP. The police arrest more ethnic minorities because the ethnic minorities do more crime- it is to do with social inclusion and poverty, yes, but alas the police are there to arrest criminals not to be social workers. It does not matter why the ethnic minorities do more crime to the police, and it should not- it should matter to society in general, but not the police who are paid to arrest crminials. MacPherson ahs meant that the police in Bradford, where I come from, are too afraid to arrest Moslem youths who throw lit fireworks at police stations because of the race card, it ahs also meant the Bradford rioters ahve got lighter sentences despite burning down buildings filled with people out for a Saturday night drink.
When the inaccuracies of macPherson are rectified, racism can once again be eradicated. But when people like Lawrences mother get OBEs for "services to the community" despite spouting racist filth against the police, and whites in general, then white people will be less tolerant fo ethnic minorities. The impression from MacPherson is that its OK for ethnic minorities to do crime, because when they are arrested its police racism, but it is not OK for whites. Beat a black guy up its racial, beat a white guy up it is not. THAT is why the BNP are getting votes, people are sick of rioting filth getting five years in prison for what essentially was attempted murder because they are Moslem, when white equivalents get longer.
Racism will survive as long as people like Lawrence are given a mouthpiece, and rewarded for racist diatribe. She lost her son to a royal fuck up, its horrible, but its not racist and its not white peoples fault. the sooner she realises this then the better for this country.