Quack. Quack. Chirac!

Former Member · February 2003

Heydrich I like a lot of what you said. And I remember reading in places around the net too.

Everything's very complicated. But an awful lot of Americans just see their country the way they did in school: defenders of freedom worldwide. It's funny how we still see ourselves this way and view that kind of Patriotism as a strength, and Europe views distrusting government as a strength.

Former Member · February 2003

I actually believe that opposition to the war is much higher in the so-called "New Europe" than in old France and Germany. The only difference being those countries are more self sufficient, are more powerful, and have more to lose by America seeking to control their energy policy by America going after Iraq. Most people do not grasp that energy dependency has historically been the method by which America controls it satellites and every European nation today is an American satellite as much as the Warsaw Pact nations were satellites of the Soviet Union. None of these nations have had a real foreign policy for over half a century. Trade deficits and foreign aid, and even using food as a weapon are also means by which the American Empire controls its satellites. When America imposes a "democracy" upon a nation it is reality imposing a "plutocracy." A local financial elite is created that is dependent upon America's carrots and fearful of its stick. This financial elite then "democratically" controls the country. Thus it should of no suprise whatsoever that these politicans buck the vast majority of their own populations, in the delusion that they are free

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Japan was such a satellite for example. Japan was reliant upon America in the 1940s for its energy just as America planned it. By threatening to cut off the energy spigot America was able to shape Japan's foreign policy to coincide with its interests. The same was true of Weimer Germany and Bolshevik Russia whom America assumed control over in the 1920s after it collapsed into famine. America industrialized both of those nations. Then something unexpected happened. Hitler came to power. Hitler was independent minded, like Saddam Hussein and Manuel Noriega. LOL sometimes satellites do "irrational" things like attack countries who control them. Hitler began to do an irrational thing by subordinating European countries to Germany rather than America and Britain, the only difference being he was more upfront and honest about it. Saddam Hussein did not meet the Somoza standard. Saddam Hussein might have been a son of bitch but we did not care as long as he was our son of a bitch. The dicatator of Pakistan, the best friend of the Taliban armed with nuclear weapons who exports terrorism to India and harbours al-Qaeda President General Musharaff is a good example of our type of son of bitch.

Former Member · February 2003

Dont think that a large percentage of the American population doesnt view distrust of government as a strength pnj. Our founding principles as enshrined in the Constitution and Bill of Rights are based upon that very mistrust.

Stop being so gullible and perhaps you might one day actually see the forest for the trees.

Former Member · February 2003

Chirac will soon be backing bush and blair, its in his intrests to do so, he's just clowning around in order to manouver himself into a nautral leader of the EU through providing a voice of opposition to America, its typical of the French to try such a tactic. Arseholes.

Former Member · February 2003

Why would it be in Chirac's interests to back Bush and Blair when he has time on his side? I disagree, it is in the interests of Blair to back Chirac rather than the other way around. Chirac's popularity is also soaring at home while Toady Blair's is declining. I have seen polling that there is MORE opposition to the war in Britain, Italy, Spain, and the so called "New Europe" nations than even in France and Germany. In places like South America opposition to the war is something around 90%. Do not make the mistake of believing that America is going to attack Iraq and that is the only thing that is going to come after it. Attacking Iraq has a very specific geopolitical goal. Phase 1 was invading Afghanistan. Phase 2 is the invasion of Iraq. Once Iraq is occupied Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iran are going to find themselves surrounded. Syria will be surrounded by an occupied Iraq, the puppet regime in Jordan, a Turkey in NATO with a collective defence agreement with Europe, and of course everyone's favourite nation Israel. Iran is going to be surrounded by a Turkey in NATO, occupied Iraq, the Pakistan satellite, and occupied Afghanistan. Syria and Iran are going to be next, either by direct military force or by subversion. Take notice how NO ONE has said the "War on Terror" ends with the Iraqi invasion. Saudi Arabia will be more vulnerable to attack by the US if it does grab Iraq's oil for itself, which will put enormous pressure on the Europeans to go along with it. Who is it that has been so forcefully pushing this war? For starters, the Jewish financers of the Republicrats in America and New Labour in Great Britain who have a huge mouthpiece and international network with their fellow influential Jews in media circles. The grand finale and their price for using their influence abroad to support the plan will be the Final Solution to the Palestinian Question. Israel is already gearing up for it. The bantustan in the West Bank is sealed off, last week I believe. Just a few weeks ago Israel expelled the Arab members of the Knesset. An all out liquidation of the Palestinians is in the works.

Former Member · February 2003

Bush warned that "you're with us or against us" back in 2001. He meant it and 70% of Americans back him.

Just heard that Syria is pulling all of its 3,000+ troops out of Lebanon.

Ebb, you're right, the French have sent an aircraft carrier to the region.

Former Member · February 2003

Originally posted by pnjsurferpoet
France reminds me of a mother duck, sqawking at it's baby ducks to fall in line. Thing is, they realize there's a big world beyond the pond the French control.

What made you such a xenophobe!! You're CRAZY!!:crazyeyes :rolleyes:

Former Member · February 2003

I love the UK and admire Tony Blair. Chirac gets off on tripping up both.

Former Member · February 2003

Hey... pnjsurferpoet....Imagine...someone who knows nothing about anything comes and reads the stuff you post would just go away thinking America and ALL Americans are shit!!

Luckily many people seem to lack your insular way of looking at the world.

And it makes you wonder why so many people say they think Amaricans are twats!!!

Former Member · February 2003

Wait til you see my Immoral protest post.

Former Member · February 2003

Originally posted by pnjsurferpoet
the French have sent an aircraft carrier to the region.

More will follow, anyone who thinks Chirac is seriously against this war is deluded.

Former Member · February 2003

He has never said he is outright against the war. French politicianns and diplomats have repeatedly pointed out that the French govt will go to war once all other avenues have been exhausted.

What the French have been annoyed with is the rush to war before the inspectors or other means have been thoroughly exploited as alternatives to the problem.

Just thought I would make that clear........

Former Member · February 2003

Everyone knows that the US pencilled in a war for the first quarter of 2003 a long time ago. It has always been its intention to go to war, despite whatever progress the UN inspectors might make.

That's why they were so annoyed when Saddam agreed to more inspections. That's why they dismissed successive letters and reports from the Iraqis as lies, sometimes even without reading them first. That's why they pushed very hard for their version of the new resolution, a text full of ambiguous demands, so they can justify a reason to go to war if an inspector is not allowed to use someone's toilet. That's why they keep telling the inspectors time is running out, despite the fact that to date there has been fuck all proof of WMDs and the Iraqis are collaborating more than ever. That's why they presented the UN with false and manipulated information to make their case for war. That's why they have lied to the world and tried to play 911 card by ludicrously trying to link Iraq and Al Qaeda.

Former Member · February 2003

Might have also been because one of Saddam's top nuclear scientist lives now in Washington D.C. He's author of the book: Saddam's bomb maker. He feels Saddam is a year away from having a nuclear bomb.

Another defector who spoke in the Philippines recently feels Saddam would use the bomb on his own country to keep it from being liberated the way Afghanistan was.

Liberals say we don't believe it. Bush says why chance it?

Former Member · February 2003

You take everything at face value pnj, that's largely your problem. You can honestly not conceive of the likely reasons why any Saddam ex-cronies or more pertinently Islamic extremists now resident in the US would lie to enhane the Bush war profile?

Imagine if you will what is quite likely the case for these figures recently paraded before the media for gullible viewers like yourself to feast upon. They are in "the US" therefore subject to our government's graces to remain.

Administration official: "Work for us and help us put the sentimantal and moral issue to the American public and youve got a nice cushy life you can expect over here, not to mention all our help in padding your bank account quite nicely. If on the other hand you have any issues with that, Im sure we can review your application for residency accordingly".

Or far sweeter...

Administration official: "we are looking for a few brave Iraqis to take over in the wonderful new regime we plan to install once we get rid of Saddam. Fancy a nice high level posting and perhaps one of Saddam's palaces for your very own? Ahh you do! ok then, repeat these comments for the cameras".

Former Member · February 2003

I hear ya brother.

I sent you a PM about something complimentary a bit ago.

Quack. Quack. Chirac!

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