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Quack. Quack. Chirac!
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If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...it's a duck. So I guess, right in the middle of their new sphere of influence, somebody ruffled the feathers of Chirac, by exercising democracy and freedom of speech. Or maybe Chirac is more comfortable dealing with that other odd bird: Saddam.
BRUSSELS, Belgium -- French President Jacques Chirac has attacked eastern European countries hoping to join the EU, saying they missed a great opportunity to "shut up" when they signed letters backing the U.S. position on Iraq.
"Shut up." Ya gotta give it to the French, they know diplomacy.
BRUSSELS, Belgium -- French President Jacques Chirac has attacked eastern European countries hoping to join the EU, saying they missed a great opportunity to "shut up" when they signed letters backing the U.S. position on Iraq.
"Shut up." Ya gotta give it to the French, they know diplomacy.
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This coming from the person who doesn't see anything wrong with the US government imposing trade penalties and boycotts that will cost billions to anyone who commits the grand capital crime of disagreeing with America.
PS, I love the Spanish too. You come from a great country. A great country Aladdin my son.:D
Is that why you like them pnj, or is it becasue of the stance of Anzar? :rolleyes:
Don Rumsfeld diplomacy!
Oh yes, they were fighting Iran with "Weapons of Mass Destruction" supplied in large part by America - who supported the slaughter of millions. They were "attacking" their neighbors! Surely, a threat to the region no doubt! Those Iranians, tisk tisk, they overthrow the Shah installed by a CIA engineered coup. The United States of America is BY FAR more of a threat to the world than al-Qaeda.
NATO went around them to position troops in Turkey.
Even the EU went around them and now has a visible pro-American split in it.
When the war begins in Iraq, they will be there. They are already sending an air craft carrier to the region.
Be careful pnj. Your statements grow more contradictory by the minute and are letting you down... that's twice you've done it today.
First you complain about the French telling other nations to shut up, sadly forgetting earlier comments about the righteousness of the US in punishing Germany and France for not obeying its commands... and now you say you don't mind how many fanatics Saddam killed... just minutes after your earlier rant about peace protesters "not caring" about the people of Iraq.
No doubt it slipped your mind that much of the gassing Saddam did was on his own people. So for as long as the mad dictator in question is a friend of the US government the victims he gasses are "fanatics" who deserve to be killed. But the moment the mad dictator turns on its master, out come the cries of the US government and its supporters about all those poor victims of Saddam, and the demand to go to war to stop the suffering...
You will go far in a Republican government
Edited to add: I see that even when Bush and Blair have given up on the Al Qaeda-Iraq link due to the universal laughter it provoked, you are still going on about it.
Well, like I said, you'll go far in the Republican Party!
That was very insightful and almost sounded caring.
Aladdin, I was thinking about the Iran - Iraq war. Who cares how many died in Iran. The Kurds thing is exactly why people might be afraid to go against him until they're sure the US won't pull out again. This is what makes me, in high school, laugh when adults in the peace movement talk about an imperialist America. We lose interest. That's the valid criticism. The Soviet Union, to me, seemed imperialistic in the way they took over Eastern Europe.
You keep swallowing the lies that the politicans give a damn about the plight of the common people. The only liberation they intend on bringing is the liberation of new consumerism to further enrich our elite. Whatever the puppet governments, installed after our troops leave, care to impose on their new subjects (however heinous) will not gain wide media coverage in the US, so you wont have to worry about seeing any new examples of the true face of the warmongers and their economic self-interests.
Not until they have stepped down from their current positions to retire in luxury at any rate.
Also, not talking about how France has the contracts for oil makes me view the peace rallies as rallies for socialist parties. Either the people are being dishonest or they're ignorant.
Well, it was millions of human beings who died in the Iran-Iraq war, to the amusement of America. Regardless, surely this is the type of individual who cares about "humanity" and has made the "moral case" for invading Iraq!
First of all, the Kurds are BY FAR more afraid of Turkey than Iraq. Turkey has slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Kurds, supported by America, and routinely tortures them literally every day. Turkey, America's allies, is a notorious human rights abuser. Will this stop America from giving a bribe of tens of billions of dollars to the Turkish regime? Probably not. Indeed, the moral case has been makde.
America was built from the ground up by imperialism. Imperialism is the only thing America has ever known. At this point it is almost instinctual. America sure has a problem with those Nazis. What evil guys. Surely Hitler was a fool, perhaps America would not opposed the war if Hitler proclaimed it was also Germany's "Manifest Destiny" to stretch to the Pacific! They weren't Concentration Camps after all, they were Reservations!
America has yet to lose interest in ruling the world.
Do you mean the Soviet Union that America went to war to save? The Soviet Union that partitioned Europe itself, not Poland, with Winston Churchill?
"So far as Britain and Russia were concerned, how would it do for you to have 90% of Romania, for us to have 90% of the say in Greece, and go 50/50 about Yugoslavia?"
-- Winston Churchill, Addressing Stalin in Moscow, October 1944
Ignorant of what, I have asked you several times now and you have not provided me with good support for your allegations of dirty dealing by the French, I'm sure you must have some because you harp on about it in practically every post.........
Concerning the nature of the protests. protests are a reaction to something the protestors feel they can have an effect on and feel they have to be against or for.
A protest in the UK can have no effect on Saddam Hussein whereas it might have an effect on our own govts, this is the nature of democratic protest........
Have you been out on any pro-war rallies or for that matter anti-French rallies?
Well that only goes to outline your own ignorance since Chirac isnt a Socialist, his Party - The RPR - is Conservative.
I truly suggest you educate yourself before continuing with your tirades against any European country of which you have no personal familiarity beyond what the spin factory chooses to tell you.
On 911, so much of the royal's investment was lost that Loyd's of London opened its membership. We buy more from the EU than we sell by a few percentage points. So we're the customer. We also pay the bulk of NATO...although that's gonna change.
Iraq is about a perceived threat to American security by sharing capabilities and sanctuary to Al Qaeda. That's it. You can say the threat isn't there...and you could be right. But the people in power in the US, almost all of the EU and the UK believe it.
We get more oil from Nigeria than Iraq. Although if we benefit from the war with more oil...why would I feel badly for the French and Russia?
This is not true at all. al-Qaeda has nothing whatsoever to do with Iraq, something your own CIA has acknowledged. The so-called sanctuary of al-Qaeda is in Northern Iraq, under the No-Fly Zone among Saddam's enemies the Kurds. Do not make me laugh about America being opposed to "al-Qaeda" sanctuaries for if that were indeed the case you would be invading Pakistan right now instead of Iraq.
The people in power in the US, the Neoconservatives who control American foreign policy are overwhelmingly spies of Israel. This war also coincides with Israel's interest to create the "New Order" in the Middle East. This war is nothing new in the least. Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz have been planning it for over ten years now. After 9/11 - NOTHING changed. That is the truth. The EU does not see Saddam Hussein as a threat in the least. LOL the EU has been doing business with Saddam Hussein! Why the hell would they want to turn over their oil supply to America? The Eastern European nations are being BRIBED by America. The same is true in the case of Turkey. The Turkish government is still negotiating the bribe package and has yet to allow America access to its bases.
Yes that is true. The war is not about America invading Iraq to acquire oil for itself in the least. That canard is often put out be the media to distract the public from those who distrust the government. The Europeans however do get a lot of their oil from Iraq and Iraq like the other OPEC nations are beginning to switch to Euros from Dollars, and thus they are hurting our business. We are interested in Iraq because it serves two interests -
A. To put pressure on the Europeans and Russians who are competing with America over the regions wealth by grabbing Iraq's oil supply.
B. To satisfy Israel which are using their network in the United States to create war hysteria in exchange for cooperating with them in their desire to eliminate their regional enemies.
First, we do not get much oil from Iraq at all. Second, Saddam could very well destroy the oil fields and we know this. If we were invading a nation to acquire oil - for us - we would attack Venezuala not Iraq. The higher the price of oil the BETTER for American oil producers as well. Why the hell would they want to flood the market with oil? That is ridiculous they have advocated sanctions for years.
Its not about oil although that canard is promoted in the media, by the government, for those who distrust the government's intentions will not understand the real rationale behind the war. We do not get much oil from Iraq - but the Europeans do. By grabbing the oil from the Europeans and the Russians the puppet governments we set up, we intend to attack several other nations as well, will use dollars instead of Euros and therefore the money will flow into the big US banks instead of Europe. If Saddam does destroy the oil fields, that will benefit US oil producers whom the Europeans will be more reliant upon, increasing our power over them.
Yes this is the old carrot and the stick approach. We cut them in on our market at the expense of domestic suppliers in order to control their foreign policy.
Yes. This is the rationale behind America's massive trade deficit as well with Japan and China. You may wonder why the American government would unilaterally throw down barriers to foreign trade with American consumers as the Japanese and the Euros throw up barriers and tarriffs to protect their industry. The rationale is because if there is a dispute between America and Japan/Europe they will be on the losing end, for they have much more to lose with their trade to us than we do with our trade to them. Cutting them in on our market at the expense of American workers and industries is the method by which we control their foreign policies and thus the global system.
All in all a minority of the EU and Europe as a whole support war.