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Reason why the nhs is a waste of f***ing space

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Being in the mental health 'system' can be confusing at the best of times, so it's not surprising that you're feeling unsure of whether the treatment you've been offered is right for you or not, Madison.

    It's great that you can get an insight through what others have been through on here - as you can see, many other users do understand and know the system well. But let's just all try to remember that everyone's case is different and there are many complexities to each person's situation, so what suits one person may not be right for another.

    Madison, I hope you can feel able to take what's being offered as a starting point and see what happens from there. Hopefully this initial treatment will show CAMHS what you really need to start feeling better.

    Please keep posting and let us know how things progress for you *hug*
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Madison1 wrote: »
    Fair enough, but I don't really agree with them. I do know how it works, all I'm saying is I don't agree with what they are offering. I didn't mean to be offensive, but I've talked to quite a lot of people about this and they all tell me that I deserve to get the support so getting a lot of mixed messeges.

    I never said I agree with it, I just said that that's the way it is. In an ideal world everyone would get all the treatment they want, but it can't happen like that. As Spanner has said and so have I the 8 weeks is a great place to start, and if they see fit to give you more treatment after that then they will.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As Spanner has said and so have I the 8 weeks is a great place to start, and if they see fit to give you more treatment after that then they will.

    This.

    I don't know a great deal about CAMHS, only stuff I've heard through friends or in a professional capacity. But what I do know is much like the adult mental health system they are vastly over-stretched, and whilst it really sucks that you've reached the point of accepting you need help and being told you can't have it - for whatever reason- you have been offered the eight weeks, and the nature of the current system and funding means that people who at at urgent crisis point get seen first. This is wrong, because there should be more treatment and prevention given to people before it gets to that stage, but the small amount of money is being pulled in all directions. Some people indirectly suffer, that isn't the NHS, that is the government and a lot of people are in the position of not getting help, or being on waiting lists that go on forever.

    I can see from your point of view that you don't think this is enough, but if you go in with the right attitude the eight weeks could be extended. Without sounding patronising, it is so much better than having nothing at all. Ultimately the decision on how you are during the sessions is down to you, however I learnt the hard way that being negative and unwilling to cooperate doesn't do any favours. You clearly want the help and that is going to work in for you.

    Going back to the private therapist thing- an NHS treatment team would not say no that. It's an expensive option and one which would need to be researched well to avoid getting any dregs treating you, but it is a possibility. They will probably want to talk to people on the NHS side of treatment, to see what's happening there, but it is something with the NHS supports and they aren't going to say "no, you can't have it", although equally they aren't going to shout from the roof tops about it, because at the end of the day, this is a country where we get free health care and it's pretty shameful that people are forced into seeking private treatment because of government cuts. I'm a university student and on all sorts of waiting lists, I see a counsellor and other members of the welfare team at uni and they have contact with my GP and other NHS people who I've had contact with with my permission.

    Hope this helps a bit.

    All the best :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ella! wrote: »
    This.

    I don't know a great deal about CAMHS, only stuff I've heard through friends or in a professional capacity. But what I do know is much like the adult mental health system they are vastly over-stretched, and whilst it really sucks that you've reached the point of accepting you need help and being told you can't have it - for whatever reason- you have been offered the eight weeks, and the nature of the current system and funding means that people who at at urgent crisis point get seen first. This is wrong, because there should be more treatment and prevention given to people before it gets to that stage, but the small amount of money is being pulled in all directions. Some people indirectly suffer, that isn't the NHS, that is the government and a lot of people are in the position of not getting help, or being on waiting lists that go on forever.

    I can see from your point of view that you don't think this is enough, but if you go in with the right attitude the eight weeks could be extended. Without sounding patronising, it is so much better than having nothing at all. Ultimately the decision on how you are during the sessions is down to you, however I learnt the hard way that being negative and unwilling to cooperate doesn't do any favours. You clearly want the help and that is going to work in for you.

    Going back to the private therapist thing- an NHS treatment team would not say no that. It's an expensive option and one which would need to be researched well to avoid getting any dregs treating you, but it is a possibility. They will probably want to talk to people on the NHS side of treatment, to see what's happening there, but it is something with the NHS supports and they aren't going to say "no, you can't have it", although equally they aren't going to shout from the roof tops about it, because at the end of the day, this is a country where we get free health care and it's pretty shameful that people are forced into seeking private treatment because of government cuts. I'm a university student and on all sorts of waiting lists, I see a counsellor and other members of the welfare team at uni and they have contact with my GP and other NHS people who I've had contact with with my permission.

    Hope this helps a bit.

    All the best :)

    Hi
    I had to see a doctor yesterday at a hospital coz my mum called 111 and well, they couldn't do anything...they say that especially children's mental health is in great demand as there's so many children, but the thing is the person who have me an assessment said that it would be easy for them to give me a therapist to talk to, which is what I feel I need, but they aren't doing that being its ot the 'right thing' meaning that the therapist is available, but they're stopping them from treating me, eight weeks is with a nurse who doesn't know an awful lot, that is why I feel it would be completely useless, if it was with someone who at least knew about OCD and intrusive thoughts, but the perosn I'm seeing, well I'm not sure she knows an awful lot...
    I agree, it is better than absoloutely nothing, it's it about being negative, it's about how much you belive that the person who is treating have the right experience to treat you. For example, I was seen by a trainee phychaitrists, I came in for treatment for the OCD, we ended up ot talking about that at all
    Unfortunate, they have said no to that, it's a fact. Because if I seek private therapy, they will ask me if I have had any treatment in the past, I will have to say, then they will email them and camhs have told them that their therapy will be waste don me, so I guess they can stop me.im not making any of this up, it's simply the truth,
    I see a counseller at school, but although its lively to talk about how bad my life is, it doesn't help. Plus I only see her for half an hour and sometimes I feel like I'm being rushed. I was trying o tell her how my mum had hit me and she wouldn't even let me say it, she kept on trying to finish the session... So...
    Madi x
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Madison1 wrote: »
    Hi
    I had to see a doctor yesterday at a hospital coz my mum called 111 and well, they couldn't do anything...they say that especially children's mental health is in great demand as there's so many children, but the thing is the person who have me an assessment said that it would be easy for them to give me a therapist to talk to, which is what I feel I need, but they aren't doing that being its ot the 'right thing' meaning that the therapist is available, but they're stopping them from treating me, eight weeks is with a nurse who doesn't know an awful lot, that is why I feel it would be completely useless, if it was with someone who at least knew about OCD and intrusive thoughts, but the perosn I'm seeing, well I'm not sure she knows an awful lot...

    The two community psychiatric nurses I've had were not trained in being specialists in ED related matters, or PTSD or psychosis. The same goes for the person/Team I am currently on a waiting list to see. They were psych nurses, working within a team of other people. It won't be a case of her not knowing "an awful lot" because she will have been trained and you won't be the first person with OCD and you won't be the last. It's not like someone has been plucked from the street to talk to you, this person will have gone through 3+ years of intense training. People working in psych teams are trained to question a broader subject, not just reason X, because often there often underlying problems which people aren't willing isn't to communicate. Mental health issues can manifest in varying ways, it isn't always a case if being clear cut and treatment has to account for that, especially on meeting a patient for the first time, they may have your notes, but they don't have the experience of actually meeting you.

    The NHS is doing the best it can on a very limited budget. No, it isn't perfect, but it isn't a waste if space. You and I and many others would be a lot worse off without it.
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