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i like it not, and dont think it has to be that way
I can see both sides, I don't like that we get dragged into every little fight the US get themselves involved in, but at the same time if it ever kicked off on a major scale I would want the USA on my side and not fighting me, wouldn't you?!
I'd want none to fight, actually.
This can be resisted you know.
Not really. They'd more than likely throw us in as cannon-fodder then spend the next 50 years telling us they "saved our asses again".
Don't believe the shite about nurses being low paid. They do very well for themselves, thank you very much.
But that's by the by.
I have a great deal of respect for people who put their lives on the line to defend other people, as happens when peacekeepers go into countries to defend the innocent people caught up in civil war. It's the same with firemen and policemen who put themselves on the line for others, but I don't think either of them face the same risks that our armed forces do. I'm not sure I could do it, although I would like to think I could if I had to, I'm not convinced.
As for soldiers knowing the risks when they sign up, that's definitely true. It is something that you live with when you're sent off to active service, knowing that the risk of death and serious injury is there- even more importantly, it's something that your spouse and kids live with too. But I don't think that means we shouldn't be angry when young kids are sent off to Afghanistan or Iraq to die just so that the politicians and businessmen can make more money.
I'm fucking angry about all these young men and women packed off to die by Blair, just so the gurning toothy cunt can swan around the Middle East pretending he's some sort of fucking peace envoy. If Blair believed in the war that strongly he should have been on the front line with an AK47 in his hand, not sending other people's kids and parents off to die in a pointless war.
So, how much do they get then? They don't start off on that high of a salary. Given the shit they get from patients and the risks of HIV, etc, thye should be highly paid.
Could you not argue that they signed up for that, in the same way people in the army sign up to danger as well?
Plus I think its £20k+ starting for a nurse?
Job Entry level salary After 5 years (expected)
Sources: NUT, FBU, RCN, AFPRB, Winsor Review
Firefighter £21,157 £28,199
Police officer £23,259 £31,032
Nurse £21,176 £25,472
Teacher £21,588 £32,200
what starting at 16k for a graduate nurse after spending 3-4 years training and you think thats ok? For the amount of responsibility, the amount of training, the amount of knowledge and the shitty unsociable hours? Youre kidding arent you
A bog standard nurse will earn between £21,100 and £27,500 (band five on Agenda for Change), a specialist nurse can earn up to £34,200 (band six) and a Modern Matron can earn up to £46,600 (band 8a). Figures taken from here. I'm assuming that the mean pay band figures don't take into account the uplift for unsocial hours working under Agenda for Change.
Those are good wages.
That webpage quotes the annual tax free allowance as being £4,615, so the data on that site is around 4-6 years old?
Edit: Also a lot of the rest of the site doesn't work.
Those figures are from January 2004, before Agenda for Change, and as such are over seven years out of date.
Despite the gobshite spewing from Cameron's mouth, public sector workers get paid less and in exchange they (in theory) get better perks and better job security. Things are going to change with Cameron cutting perks, jobs AND wages, but for now you'd have to say NHS staff are paid reasonably well for what they do.
I don't think the thick end of fifty grand for a Modern Matron is a wage to be sniffed at, although I agree that Modern Matrons work damn hard for their money.
Do you agree with my theory that tube train drivers on automated lines should get paid less then?
Lots of people sit down all day for their job and its not really relevant to how much they should or do get paid.
I don't think that NHS staff are underpaid at all, especially not doctors and nurses. The ones with the knowledge and skills are paid very well indeed and even entry-level nursing staff are paid reasonably well compared to other graduate level vacancies. They get more than teachers, for a start. I don't think they're overpaid either (well, some GPs are...) but they're sure as hell not underpaid.
But they're not just "sat on their arse all day on a train".
Working sixteen hour days whilst dodging the bullets fired by various Balkan lunatics the pay didn't seem quiet so generous.
My brother felt the same when he was shark fishing on Ascension Island.......