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The smoking ban was just the start...
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Next - no cigarettes on display.
In a year or so perhaps, no smoking outside?
Labour have wrecked the economy, the pound is becoming worthless - if only smokers didn't have an addiction stopping them from putting the final nail in Britain's economy... Praise to the tobacco smugglers though, smokers are treated like shit, the govt doesn't deserve our money.
In a year or so perhaps, no smoking outside?
Labour have wrecked the economy, the pound is becoming worthless - if only smokers didn't have an addiction stopping them from putting the final nail in Britain's economy... Praise to the tobacco smugglers though, smokers are treated like shit, the govt doesn't deserve our money.
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I was reading on the dwp website that to pay for the debts that England is in we will all be paying a lot more tax and national insurance to try and get us out of the mess that Labour has put us in. I knew it was a wrong decision to let them get into power but the conservatives were not a lot better but it is beyond me that labour said right at the begining that things will always get better ....where have they managed to do that?
As for the vat decrease well beer does not go down neither does tobacco. We do not pay tax on food, clothes and books and some others.
Why are they trying to convince us that a 2.5% decrease will make a lot of difference to our lives and then in a less than a years time we will have to pay three times more tax and national insurance for what? Bailing out the banks?
As for the tobacco issue ....I bet that all the mp's smoke due to stress?
Cinema Advertising banned - people still started to smoke.
Sponsorship Advertising banned - people still started to smoke.
Cigarette Offers banned - people still started to smoke.
Advertising Cigarette Prices banned - people still started to smoke.
Smoking in enclosed spaces banned - people still started to smoke.
I bet you a £1 to a pinch of shit if you got 1,000 people who smoke none of 'em (or at least very few) are going to say 'I saw a packet of fags in the shop so thought i'd start smoking'
I like the smoking ban because I feel I have a right to enjoy my food in a restaurant/get sweaty at a gig without breathing in death. I just hate the smell and it just makes me physically ill. I enjoy being healthy.
But this is actually retarded. These stupid pictures on the back of cigarette packets are only the benefit for those that don't smoke, so they can feel good about themselves. They ain't stopping no smoker.
Also...
I bet loads of MPs smoke. They're just trying to find a fan base.
And if they don't smoke, I bet they all go out and get horrendously wasted which is just as bad.
P.S I don't smoke.
Yes, we could move and make a concious effort not to be around smokers, but many of my friends and family smoke. Also this would not do anything, as I was in town the other day and out of nowhere I got a lungfull of tabbacco smoke.:yuck:
I don't say ban it, since that has all but been proven to be useless (look at prohibition America), but just be thoughtfull about who you smoke around.
About the government, I say bring back the absolute monarchy! That way there'll be no one saying "Yeah, we'll do this and that if you elect us." and then fail do deliver after they win.
It won't accomplish anything!
Can anyone explain how hiding cigarettes - pretending they're not really there, in other words - is going to stop people from smoking? From a practical viewpoint, how is it going to work for shops? What are they supposed to do - write down restaurant-style menus featuring the cigarettes that they sell? The whole thing is fucking crazy. We're going back to the speakeasys of the 1920s at this rate.
Smokers pay an absolutely obscene level in taxes each time they buy the product. They deserve far better treatment from the government, which is more than willing to push up the price of cigarettes at every turn.
Until Amsterdam gets put under the counter.
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3857275,00.html
Not true - it was the edge I needed to give up
The only problem is, there are too many stupid people in the country, or at least those without common sense to allow such a state of givt to exist. Which then in turn annoys the people who can control their own lives for the better, and the better of others, because they dont want to be controlled.
Yup.
Yup again.
It stinks of the Government again knowing what's best for us more than we do ourselves, since we're all little children and evidently can't choose for ourselves.
I was horrified that my favourite brand has now started putting images of smoking-related conditions on the packets. Horrified, not by the images or or that my lung / throat / unborn child could look like that, but by the fact that they don't think we know this already! We've had this shit beaten into us for as long as I can remember. Pictures of a diseased lung on my packet is not, repeat, *not* going to stop me smoking. If I stop, it will be my decision and I will not be co-erced by someone who thinks they know better than me.
WE GET IT. SMOKING IS BAD FOR YOU AND CAUSES ALL SORTS OF NASTY SHIT. BUT SOME PEOPLE STILL CHOOSE TO DO IT - OK? CAN'T YOU JUST LEAVE US ALONE FOR ONE FUCKING MINUTE AND START PERSECUTING PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY HARMING SOCIETY AS OPPOSED TO THOSE WHO CONTRIBUTE £10BN MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE IN TAXES AND WANT NOTHING MORE THAN TO EXERCISE THEIR DEMOCRATIC PREROGATIVE WITHOUT FEAR OF PERSECUTION?
Hear. Hear!!
(Just don't do it around me:yuck: )
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I've personally never seen any conclusive, ratified proof that passive smoking is any more dangerous than walking around in a big city. This always makes me chuckle that people will berate smokers out on the street for smoking within 30 feet of their mewling spawn while quite happy to let said offspring inhale the fumes of countless cars whizzing by. For starters, it's because of people like that that we're forced to be out in the street in the first place...
Another quite interesting thing is when I typed in 'proof of passive smoking' into Google, 5 of the first page of 10 hits deal with the debate as to whether passive smoking is real or exaggerated. (Screenshot enclosed). Interesting.
I could use the same argument about cars driving near me spewing their filth into the atmosphere which is doing incomparably more harm to the earth than me smoking a fag. It's only inconsiderate because you don't like it. There are loads of things that irritate me that I would call inconsiderate because they aggrevate me. However, I tolerate it because on the flip-side, I appreciate that there may be things I do that annoy other people.
Though I respect people's wishes to do whatever they wish in a nominally free society
I think banning smoking outside may be a bit OTT. Again, I don't care as I don't smoke.
While I do agree with placing limits on where and when people can smoke inside, neither the small inconvenience to smokers, nor whether you participate in the activity in question, are valid, let alone cogent, arguments for the smoking ban. The inconvenience may be small to smokers, but that doesn't hold any weight when you're arguing the legitimacy of the ban; sitting at the back of the bus is only a mild inconvenience.
whatever ...to be able to pin you to the floor or wall?
Against your will ...on your own floor or across the back of a chair ...to collect money for the bankers ....is anyone screaming from the rooftops over this?
Thought not.
Am I screaming?
Only on the inside for some strange reason.
We live in strange times indeed.
Ban on petrol station displays announced:
"The open display of fuelling stations is to be banned in England and Wales, the government announced today. They will now have to be hidden underground so that people cannot see them. But plans for an outright ban of fuelling stations have been scrapped - on the grounds it would prove too expensive for the Treasury. Ministers hope the display ban, which is also under consideration in Scotland, will reduce the number of motorists on the road. Northern Ireland is yet to decide whether it would implement such a policy. Critics say the moves do not go far enough to stop motorists from buying fuel."
Knowing this government, it can't be that far away. Fucking Stalinist cunts.
Meantime, one slight modification to Namaste's post... ...lets the cat out of the bag. I wonder if you'd be happy to see other groups in society treated in this way. Why don't we ban the obese from eating indoors in public places? Let's force them all to go outside when they've ordered something from a McDonalds and see them stuffing their faces in the pissing rain instead. You'd be the first to support that idea... wouldn't you?
Having said all of that, there is no reason in the world why they couldn't have simply given bars and restaurants the option of creating segregated smoking areas.
It is also stupid that govenrments have chosen to ignore new technology regarding air purification. There are table-top machines that suck up surrounding air and are said to remove more than 99.9% of all cigarette smoke. If restaurants and bars were allowed to install them in some of their tables, smokers and non smokers could even share the same room without the latter being inconvenienced or affeced in any way.
To recap, it was right to ensure non smokers and staff enjoy a smoke-free environment, but it was wrong to impose a blanket ban on all indoor venues without giving the option of creating smoking areas.
Or indeed, allow private premises to do whatever the fuck they want. Before the ban, there were plenty of restaurants, cafes and bars that had segregated areas / bans. Private premises should be allowed to do what the hell they want to. I'd almost go as far as to say that you don't have the God-given right to go to pubs / clubs / cafes and so if you'd like to, you should put up with little inconveniences but I know the hippie brigade will jump down my throat