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1 in 100 adult Americans are in jail
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/01/usa
And 1 in 9 young black men in the 20-34 age group is also in prison.
Unbe-fucking-lievable.
Prison works, eh? :rolleyes:
And 1 in 9 young black men in the 20-34 age group is also in prison.
Unbe-fucking-lievable.
Prison works, eh? :rolleyes:
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Might not be quite so simplistic, but thats the jist of it I believe.
Plus they're willing to put people in prison for things like posession of cannabis e.t.c. which to us over here the idea is laughable.
If you would like a constructive solution, as Whowhere has observed, minor drug offenders absolutely fill prisons. America's broad policy (variation between states not withstanding) in the war on drugs has succeeded primarily in fostering and reinforcing structures and practices of criminality, especially in deprived communities. It flies in the face of successful practice evidence and also of wider policy research.
There are alternatives, they HAVE been on the table for yonks, and are well known. With respect I cannot see how people cannot see a major social problem as self evident here.
In any case, Britain's hardly in a place to lecture about this. Our prisons are choc-a-bloc right now as well. Any Americans reading this could easily say "get your own house in order before criticising us".
Read the article. Proportionally the Americans have far, far more people in jail than we do.
Something clearly is wrong with the system when such incredibly high numbers of people are in jail. You should be able to draw your own conclusions from it. One of them clearly is that prison often does not work as a deterrent. Another is that how healthy can a society be when such high proportion of its people are incarcerated? Is it because so many people are wrong ones and deserve to rot in jail? Or is it because there is something very wrong with the current mentality and policies there?
3-strikes-and-you-are-out is one of the most appalling, disproportionate, socially damaging and evil polices ever created. I should imagine overzealous judges and laws should shoulder some of the blame. A society can be judged by the number of people it jails. On that respect the US has a failed society.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY6UTnS6Z-A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHS_y94H1Dk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRPxN7DGy5c
I hope to. What I am going to do is try and cite some relevant sources for you. Its my day off today so you'll excuse me not traipsing through the library today - will get back to you as soon as I can, will put something together and have it up by friday. Have put it in my PDA to do.
That's not an argument for prisons.
My betting is they are about to build huge camps ...to cram in another million.
Personally I think quite the opposite, the massive cost of their 'law and order' programme is going to be the motivation for change to a more European model.
http://www.apfn.org/THEWINDS/archive/government/camp9-97.html
http://www.apfn.org/THEWINDS/archive/government/camp9-97.html
FEMA CONCENTRATION CAMPS: Locations and Executive Orders
There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached. Ask yourself if you really want to be on Ashcroft's list.
http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1062
....or to support the rapid development of new programs."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/8/13851/75112
Hmm, I'm not convinced by that link to be quite honest - but even if they are there the UK government has even more power under the Civil Continginces Act.
But, back in the more day-to-day world I really think the US cant afford its prisons on a long term basis and this will mean they will re-evaluate their criminal justice model.
The camp comes complete with double fencing topped with razor wire and a death zone running between them.
No one wants to believe these things ...no one realy cares ...most people expect the world to carry on same as it ever was. Despite the powers the president has been granted ...despite the president saying he is above the law ...despite all manner of things being set up to overide or suspend the constitution ...despite everything ...no one believes anything is going to change ...most hoping that this part of world history will be reassuringly boring.
It's you young uns i feel sorry for ...
http://www.msccsp.org/publications/strikes.html
An excellent overview of the overwhelmingly negative bulk of research on the three strikes law can be found here - a good overview piece taking in lots of research pieces, from a reputable source (University of Maryland).
just like to point out to SG that you called me on my evidence to surprise you in this post, after you had made some sweeping statements about the issue.
I just wondered what you thought now that you've seen a summary of the case against the three strikes rule.