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Is it illigal to serve snakebite?

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
This confuses me! I'm from Newcastle where I worked in a bar and every 2nd pint I'd serve would be a snakebite. For years we went to the student union and ordered diesel, they even had an offer on it at one point

However, now I live in Cardiff and people seem to freak out at the whole concept! I'll have half a snakebite in the bar after work and they're all like OMG YOU'LL BE STEAMING :shocking:

But what's worse is they won't let me sell it, or drink it in the pub I work in! I asked for a pint of diesel the other night and my manager said no you can't have it because its illigal. She said I'll do you two halves. I said come on I work here you know I'm not gonna get pissed or rowdy and she refused

So is it illigal?? And whats the point of serving two halves and a glass to put it in? Argh it does my head in :banghead:

ETA: my boyfriend reckons its illigal because you need a cocktail licence to mix drinks?m Hmm
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I got this
    The traditional Snakebite loved by hard drinkers throughout the world can be difficult to purchase as some publicans refuse to serve it, presumably believing that it was responsible for the Stock Market Crash of the 1980s.
    from http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A322318
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I heard its the cordial in it that makes it potent.

    I dont see how that works though.

    :heart: for snakey B's.

    Btw i have no idea if its legal but places in derby sell it. Walkabout's is by far the best yummy
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    in wetherspoons they wont serve it, they do it in two halves. very odd indeed
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Dinted wrote: »
    I heard its the cordial in it that makes it potent.

    There's so many stupid myths like that. Blatantly the cordial makes it easier to drink.

    Oh yeah when I said loads of places in Newcastle serve it she said then its a different law for wales. I think she's talking shite, but I can't find any actual laws on it
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've been wondering this for ages too! why some places will do it and some wont...i know they wont do it in wetherspoons pubs but in this club i used to go every wednesday we would always drink diesels! although that place also does cocktails so maybe it is something to do with the cocktail license? hmm.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    how strange.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's not illegal but loads of places refuse to serve it as it's strong and gets you pissed very quickly and in this day and age, a lot of places, especially student unions, don't want to be seen condoning binge drinking.

    Incidentally, a snakebite is just cider and beer. Adding cordial is a snakebite and black. People used to get so pissed off in my pub when people would ask for a snakebite and I wouldn't put the cordial in.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Also, if someone gets horrifically drunk and gets arrested for doing anything, the police can now hold the bar and barstaff responsible - you can be fined up to about £1000. It's not that surprising that people are reluctant to serve something as potent as snakebite.

    I personally prefer Green Goblins :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Isn't that to do with serving someone who is drunk though, not what you serve them? Surely its just as bad to keep serving someone triple vodkas as it is to serve snakebite?

    And I don't get how its 'potent'. Surely its just the same as drinking a pint of larger and a pint of cider? I certainly don't get more drunk off it than any other pint :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    how is a pint of half cider + half beer (Assuming both to be of the same alcoholic strength) any stronger than a whole pint of cider, or a whole pint of beer?

    in fact, beer (lager) often has less alcoholic content than cider, so a snakebite would actually contain less alcohol than a whole pint of cider...

    perhaps they are only frowned upon because they are perhaps easier (?) to drink than just beer or just cider. (adding cordial definitely makes that the case)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's not illegal but loads of places refuse to serve it as it's strong and gets you pissed very quickly and in this day and age, a lot of places, especially student unions, don't want to be seen condoning binge drinking.

    :yes: What he said.

    But Geordie's are hard and they can handle it. :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yeah, it's just because snakebite and black is much more drinkable than anything else - you don't get more drunk, but it's easier to drink.

    It's just as bad to serve triple vodka, (which, incidentally, is the most you're allowed to serve - you're not allowed to do quadruples) because they're likely to get people very drunk - i think it's just them covering their backs.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's just as bad to serve triple vodka

    So why is it legal to serve triple vodka but everyone seems to think its illigal to serve snakebite? :confused: I don't get it!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't know. Mental people.

    They won't make up a green goblin either, you have to buy the different parts seperately.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Replicant wrote: »
    how is a pint of half cider + half beer (Assuming both to be of the same alcoholic strength) any stronger than a whole pint of cider, or a whole pint of beer?

    in fact, beer (lager) often has less alcoholic content than cider, so a snakebite would actually contain less alcohol than a whole pint of cider...

    perhaps they are only frowned upon because they are perhaps easier (?) to drink than just beer or just cider. (adding cordial definitely makes that the case)


    I think it's because beer is made from grain and cider is made from fruit. It's the old addage 'never mix grape and grain'. Drinking beer and wine can have a similar effect.

    The manager of the pub I worked in last summer told me it's not illegal to serve snakebite, it's at the publican's discretion. When I was serving I was told I could serve it to a few regulars, but that I should refuse to serve any more if I thought they'd had enough, as with anything. I was also told to use my judgement serving snakebite to non regular customers, and only to serve one or two pints to any one person.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The first pub I worked in would serve snakey b's. What's a green goblin then? We used to do my special, which had it's own button on the till with my initial that had a double vodka, small glass of white wine, shoe of archers and a top up of lemonade or soda water in a tall glass for £2.60. Now they would get you hammered!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think it's just a case of certain pubs taking existing laws too seriously. Everything legally has to be measured in pubs (with the exception of cocktails - defined loosely as anything with 3 or more ingredients). So they think they'll get into trouble for free-pouring something even though you still know what the total will be. Though technically, if this is the policy of the pub, they should technically be doing the same thing with shandy, lager tops, anything served in pints with a cordial shot in it, but I suspect they don't.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've never had any probs getting Snakebite, although some of the other ones (fuck knows their names) i have to order each bit separately and mix myself cos they won't/don't know how to do it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    the other night i had 2 pints of it and it did nothing and im normally a light weight lol :S it mustnt of been made right lol ive found clubs dont do it though but it you ask for itat small local pubs then they wil
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    katralla wrote: »
    What's a green goblin then?

    It's a half of cider and a wkd blue. I don't like beer, so it's a good drink to drink if you're out cos you can down shorts too quickly. Plus it gets you a little wasted :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    blurgh! those blue wicked's have too much sugar in them, the hurt my teeth on the way down, then hurt my head when I crash.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Think there is many different versions of snake bits
    cider + larger + blackcurrant
    cider + larger + shot of perno
    cider + blue wicked
    cider + larger + shot of vodka

    I have a power drink
    the five allies = rum + brandy + vodka + whisky
    england jamacia russia america
    server with coke and ice
    copright matty281k ahha
    haha
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I dont think its illegal. My union wont sell it but the Walkabout in town does.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Some of the pubs I worked in won't serve it because of the image that goes with it - they didn't think Snakebite was a very classy drink, and generally it was underage drinkers that would ask for it. In my book, snakebite is half cider & half lager.

    One of my landlords didn't like it as he was really tight on measurements, with him - if you were going to serve it you had to pour two separate halves and give the customer a pint glass to mix it in themselves.

    Theres nowt to say it's illegal though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Technically it is illegal to serve it as a pint, you're meant to serve exactly 1 whole pint, or 2 exact halves when serving. By mixing 2 drinks by eye alone you're not doing that, hence why 2 half pints are used.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Whowhere wrote: »
    Technically it is illegal to serve it as a pint, you're meant to serve exactly 1 whole pint, or 2 exact halves when serving. By mixing 2 drinks by eye alone you're not doing that, hence why 2 half pints are used.

    But then shandy would also be illigal?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My old students' union at Staffs Uni serves it. If the venue has a cocktail license (as Kangoo originally stated), then it can serve that drink.

    Fruit machines - requires a gambling license
    Dancing (yes, dancing!!) - requires an entertainment license
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Dinted wrote: »
    I heard its the cordial in it that makes it potent.

    I dont see how that works though.

    :heart: for snakey B's.

    Btw i have no idea if its legal but places in derby sell it. Walkabout's is by far the best yummy

    that's confusing as Walkabout will never do it for my friends - they point blank refuse :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Monserrat wrote: »
    My old students' union at Staffs Uni serves it. If the venue has a cocktail license (as Kangoo originally stated), then it can serve that drink.

    Fruit machines - requires a gambling license
    Dancing (yes, dancing!!) - requires an entertainment license

    There's no such thing as a cocktail licence, they're covered by existing licencing laws. Cocktails refer to anything containing 3 or more different liquids, and don't legally require measuring no matter what is in them, though most places do for stock control purposes.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    kangoo wrote: »
    But then shandy would also be illigal?



    No, because you're only using one alcoholic drink, and the person buying the shandy will decide how much of a ratio alcohol/lemonade there will be.
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