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What do you think of E?
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I was just woundering what people though of E, and how old where you when you started taking it if you take it at all. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif">
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As for what I think of them.... they've made me a much better (in my opinion) and happier person. I have a much broader mind, am a lot less judgemental, and I have met people who are so unbelievably fantastic I can't believe it. I can express myself better, and am more out going as a person.
The feeling when on E... well, its like no other.
Absolute quality drug, no other like it.
pills recieve such an unjust press and as a result are so misunderstood, maybe with time attitudes will change, lets hope so
in the words of pied piper - 'enter the dragon..........................
drugs may be the road to nowhere, but at least there the scenic route
...just kidding! Ecstasy is like any drug, it's not going to change the world, but unlike nicotine or alcohol I would say there are more positive things you can bring from the experience (if taken in moderation) than negative.
Drugs clearly do change the world, in positive and negative ways - the drugs industry is worth billions, the amout of deathd nicotine cause alone has an impact on the world, and i really believe if the whole world dropped simultaneously then alot of positive things would arise from it, it certainly changed my attitude to alot of things, i'm not saying it would bring world peace or anything, but the would ba alot of subtle changes in society
drugs may be the road to nowhere, but at least there the scenic route
talk again soon <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/cool.gif">
[This message has been edited by Leggy Debbie (edited 06-12-2001).]
I started using at 18.
Btw, dont drive on E its not smart. Took my ignorance to figure that out for myself. Hope youll use my experience to your advantage.
Well Iv gotta say iv only ever done this once and iv been taking them since i was 13
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That has nothing to do with the drug though, just the individuals.
I agree. Someone I knew went schiz whilst he was pillin' and threatened to kill my ex. I mean, really nasty, it was only over a £5 note which he was owed
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[ 09-12-2001: Message edited by: Skive ]
Or look at LSD - the CIA used it for mind control and paranoia, the hippies used it for mind expansion and peace and love.
Read 'Acid Dreams: The complete social history of LSD' by Martin Lee & Bruce Shlain for a good analysis of this type of thing.
[ 10-12-2001: Message edited by: Blagsta ]
And now i'm off to smoke a joint, au revoir! <IMG alt="image" SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0">
It doesn't kill if you know what you're doing.
If you're taking for your first time take it preferablly with a crowd of people whoa re experienced with the drug. ANd at the least take it with a group of other people, don't do it on your own.
They say take a pint of water every hour...it's as simple as this:glass of water with you and take a sip every now and then. Don't go mad on it though either!
It's fun to take and I think certainly it's a good experience to try once or twice but it can be dnagerous and can mess you up if you take it too often.
oh, sorry do we have to chose then ? nop, i prefer the best of both worlds <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
and weed isn't so much better at all, mind you there is nothing wrong with wanting to stay clear of pills
lol, oh happy days
*sighs*
*starts making plans for saturday* <IMG alt="image" SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0">
call me naive, but what the fuck is a scientologist?????? <IMG alt="image" SRC="confused.gif" border="0">
Fuckin' mental fruitcakes the lot of 'em.
That is wrong in every conceivable way, that I don't know where to start.
Good intentioned maybe, and I'm sure that heavy use of E does cause damage, but 'backflow'? Get yer facts right fer fucks sake!
Even after u have come down from just taking 'e' once! you will have a lower level of serotonin than before and each time you recover from a comedown Your level gets lower and lower, so you would only be able to get a high or be happy when on the drug and fall into clinical depression. Now dont tell me that , that is all wrong and aload of crap, these are the facts , and the biggest fact of all is it can do about anything to you! and with everyone that takes 'e' its a wait and see game, to see what extent the brain damage could be in the long term...What dont you understand about the possibilty of a 'backflow' if that part of the brain is numbed/ by the drug, (Which alcohol has the oposite efect of) then u are in danger of that if u drink too much fluids..How do they know this? because people have died that way.
You seem to think that we must be stupid or something. We know what we're doing.
I'm not saying what you said is false but with the right education and precautions most of what you said is easily avoidable. Infact thousands of people safely take pills very weekend.
Pills do damage nerve endings in a certain area of the brain. These nerves however grow back. Unfortunately they grow back differently and scientists have yet to understand if this will effect heavy users later in life. Then again I doubt heavy drinkers will have a very healthy liver when they're older (just look at the news).
Here's some info of my own.
Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN)
United States Department of Health and Human Services
Reports of mentions for MDMA Annual Emergency Room Data:
1990
61
1991
104
1992
236
1993
71
1994
250
1995
444 (ranked 130th on a list of 139 drugs)
[The above implies that 129 other drugs of abuse are implicated in more problems than ecstasy in the USA]
Coroners Report: (# of deaths)
1990
0
1991
2
1992
0
1993
1
1994
1
1994
1
1995
(not yet available)
Figures obtained for me by Sylvia of MAPS, 5/97
Seems deadly dosn't it! In this country we have on average about 6 deaths a year. To say that a person died from Ecstasy is never the full story any more than saying that someone died of drink: like alcohol, Ecstasy can be used without any harmful effect. In both cases, death is due to the indirect effects which can be avoided if you are aware of the dangers and look after yourself. The difference is that the dangers of being drunk are well known and recognised, while the dangers resulting from Ecstasy use are far less known. Far from saving young people from harm, much of the so-called drugs education has confused users by trying to scare them, rather than explain the dangers and how to avoid them.
Dangers
Drinking too much water is reported to have killed 3 people so far, all in the past year, presumably because 'harm prevention' advice has concentrated on drinking plenty of water. The point is that overheating is the main danger of taking Ecstasy; sweating is essential to avoid overheating and water is essential in order to sweat. However, water can be harmful if you drink more than you can get rid of by sweating or pissing. It may then dilute your blood, and diluted blood causes tissue cells to swell, but the brain cannot swell inside the skull and the pressure can build up to a dangerous level. There should be no problem if your you drink plenty of water and piss plenty of pale piss. Danger signs to look out for are compulsive drinking, not being able to piss or dark piss in spite of drinking lots of water.
There are several other dangers associated with Ecstasy use, but by knowing about and recognising the dangers, it is possible to reduce the risks to a minimum. The most important thing to be aware of is that Ecstasy masks discomfort and pain, so that you may feel OK and carry on doing something when you would normally feel awful and stop. Most Ecstasy-related deaths are due to overheating and dehydration from dancing: instead of rushing outside gasping for air and cold water, some people just carry on getting hotter until they reach a fatal temperature (which is only a few degrees above normal). Asthmatics have been known to die from attacks while on Ecstasy, and it may be that again the usual warning signals were not felt. Another effect of Ecstasy that can be dangerous is that it causes an increase in blood pressure, normally no problem but possibly fatal for someone with a weak heart. The same dangers also apply to amphetamine. Some bad reactions may also be due to allergies and interactions with other drugs such as inhalers used by asthmatics; this is an area that should be researched.
Risk
The fact is that everything we do is risky, and that it is possible to reduce the risk with knowledge, looking after yourself and being with friends who look after one another. This applies just as much to taking Ecstasy as to rock climbing.
In my book, I have shown that many 'respectable' activities are more dangerous than taking Ecstasy. Recently I have found statistics that show the risk is similar to fishing! If we assume that Ecstasy is taken on 25 million occasions a year (half a million a week), and that there are 5 Ecstasy-related deaths per year, then this compares favourably with 10 deaths related to fishing, which is done on 45 million occasions a year, and 12 deaths resulting from horse riding which is done on 40 million occasions. (Source: Government statistics in OPCS Monitor DH4 92/4).
Some people will argue that you cannot compare good healthy sporting activities with bad sleazy drug taking. Well, then let's compare drinking alcohol with illicit drugs. The Royal College of Physicians recently published a report called Alcohol and the Young, whose president (Professor Turnberg) was quoted in The Times: "The impact that drugs have on the young has received huge publicity. What is not so widely recognised is that alcohol causes ten times as much damage [to the same age group, 16 to 25] as drugs." I failed to find supporting data in the report, but if true and there is more than one illicit drug user to every ten drinkers under 25, then turning people away from drugs may result in them doing more harm to themselves by drinking instead.
Critics will say that all these figures are based on guessed statistics as regards drug use. True, but I have taken the lowest guess and use is very likely to be far greater than I have assumed, leading to the conclusion that Ecstasy use carries less risk than, for instance, fishing. But facts are hardly the issue: the situation could be compared to when Darwin produced evidence to show that humans are descended from animals: for many years he did not dare to publish his findings for fear of the reaction of the intolerant establishment and church.
©Nicholas Saunders, 12/95 (revised 2/96)
Evidence against Ecstasy being neurotoxic is provided by recent approval of a slimming pill called fenfluramine (widely used in Europe for many years without harmful effects). Tests which indicate Ecstasy as neurotoxic also indicate that fenfluramine is neurotoxic. Yet fenfluramine has recently been approved in the USA for unlimited use on the grounds that its benefits outweigh possible risks. This was because the US Food and Drug Administration expert committee did not accept the test results were valid. When applied to Ecstasy, however, identical test results have been used as proof of neurotoxicity.
Quite independently, recently published research established that there was no neurotoxicity in humans in cases where it was predicted by animal studies.
The association with Parkinson's disease is shown to be unfounded, and it is pointed out that although Ecstasy has been widely used for over two decades in the USA, the predicted casualties have not materialised.
If you've never done it then I can easily understasnd why you can't see the point in doing it.
I'm fully aware of the possiblilty of depression being caused by E, I'm also aware that there may be a chance of brain damage (although nothing has been proved). I weighed up the pros and cons long ago, and made my decision.