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Creativity and mental illness

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Do you really think there is a link between the two?

I know some people, including myself, that are both.. but then i know others that are healthy and fine but also very creative.

tell me your thoughts...

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think so. I mean look at Frida Kahlo, Virginia Woolf, Sylvia Plath etc
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    what was wrong with frida kahlo?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Frida Kahlo was BPD right?

    Just bought a book on depression my Spike Milligan - haven't read it yet, but he was a famously talented depressive
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    thanks for ze link, it looks interesting, i shall print it off.

    Actually for some reason, when I think that it might help me, I feel slightly better, help me to be creative i mean, it's just when it gets too much that i can't stand it. meh, oh well. I'll learn from the masters.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    mental illness, intelligence, depression and creativity can all be linked, imo.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think you're looking at it far too broadly.

    Of course given enough of a sample you're going find people who suffer from varying mental illnesses that are fantastically creative.

    But you could apply the same thought to ugly people, is there a link? well there is a number of ugly people who have made an impact due to their creativity, could it be that because they are ugly, they have strived to become something using other methods, ie creativity?

    The same would be true of every label you wish to look at given enough of a sample to select from.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There's lots of research suggesting a link between pathology and creativity. However, creativity is infinatly hard to define let alone measure (as I found out in my dissertation) so its difficult to know how to take the results of such studies.

    Also, creativity is heavily influenced by many other factors - immediate environment, intelligence, cognitive style, childhood experiences, to name a few. Mental illness may be a deciding factor or an unrelated bystander. Its very difficult to tell
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ah yes, all very valid points, I didn't think about all the other people...
    I guess it doesn't really matter then, everybody is different.
    I don't see why psychologists have to put people in all these different minority groups. I guess sometimes it makes sense, like when diagnosing an illness, but other times I think that we are all different so what good does it do? If we go to see a specialist for a problem then we should be treated as an individual, not put into a group, so therefore that must be what we are thinking and feeling because of past studies...
    I don't know if that makes sense, I'm just ranting...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Nutter wrote: »
    Ah yes, all very valid points, I didn't think about all the other people...
    I guess it doesn't really matter then, everybody is different.
    I don't see why psychologists have to put people in all these different minority groups. I guess sometimes it makes sense, like when diagnosing an illness, but other times I think that we are all different so what good does it do? If we go to see a specialist for a problem then we should be treated as an individual, not put into a group, so therefore that must be what we are thinking and feeling because of past studies...
    I don't know if that makes sense, I'm just ranting...


    I think thats a very different arguement to your initial post, we put people in to "groups" rightly or wrongly because it usually makes things easier.

    I agree everybody is different and should be treated as an individual, but regardless of what you think of the treatment people get now, i think overall the level of service people got would go down, massively should we start from a blank page with everybody that walks through that doors, since most illnesses etc... share some extent of similarity with their symptoms, and again with their treatment, it'll always be quicker to draw back upon previous experience and treat them with what worked before, then tweak the treatment accordingly.

    But yeah, very different to your first point, still no probs :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    LOL

    :yeees:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Agree with Mr Orange
    Nutter wrote: »
    If we go to see a specialist for a problem then we should be treated as an individual, not put into a group, so therefore that must be what we are thinking and feeling because of past studies...
    You are generally put into a group because of what you are thinking and feeling already, not the other way round. It is unlikely that you will be put into a 'group' and it will be assumed that you are exactly the same as everyone else with the same diagnosis, there is some leeway (although admittedly some people have problems with psychological diagnosis because it is too strict)

    I'm not sure what this has to do with mental illness and creativity though?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Nutter wrote: »
    Do you really think there is a link between the two?

    I know some people, including myself, that are both.. but then i know others that are healthy and fine but also very creative.

    tell me your thoughts...

    :chin:

    I agree. There's also the fine line between madness and intelligence.
    They (whoever they are!)say Schizophrenia is often linked to your own inner voice questioning yourself. Intelligant people look at all possibilities, where as those less fortunate take things as a given.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm not sure about mental illness being linked with creativity, although it wouldn't surprise me.

    I do believe and there is quite a lot of research into strong link between dyslexia and creativity. I'm not suggesting dyslexia is a mental illness, but merely pointing out a connection.

    :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Calvin wrote: »
    I do believe and there is quite a lot of research into strong link between dyslexia and creativity.

    :thumb:

    I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but i just find it really hard to take these sorts of findings as anything close to being fact.


    I think the problem is that i'm sure i could go out today and if i asked enough people i could find a reasonable link pointing towards the conclusion i wanted to find.

    I can see the reasoning as to why dyslexic people may be viewed as being more creative, but you could just argue that they have merely had to find an alternative way to deal with the problems they are finding, and it's less creativity and more a necessity of finding a way to deal with their problem that doesn't fit in line with the conventional, if that makes sense!?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Mr Orange wrote: »
    I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but i just find it really hard to take these sorts of findings as anything close to being fact.

    I think the problem is that i'm sure i could go out today and if i asked enough people i could find a reasonable link pointing towards the conclusion i wanted to find.

    I can see the reasoning as to why dyslexic people may be viewed as being more creative, but you could just argue that they have merely had to find an alternative way to deal with the problems they are finding, and it's less creativity and more a necessity of finding a way to deal with their problem that doesn't fit in line with the conventional, if that makes sense!?

    I don't think relationships between mental illness and creativity are scientific fact but more a noticeable correlation. I get what your saying, that if you went out and asked enough people, your results could indicate whatever you wanted them to indicate.

    I'm be no means an expert on the subject but there does seem to be a strong correlation between dyslexia and creativity; this could be dyslexics finding other ways of solving their problems or they are simply born this way.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Calvin wrote: »
    I do believe and there is quite a lot of research into strong link between dyslexia and creativity. I'm not suggesting dyslexia is a mental illness, but merely pointing out a connection.

    Just had a quick look and statistics show that an estimated 15-25% of art students have a diagnosis of dyslexia or dyspraxia

    HOWEVER, there is little theoretical basis or empirical evidence to how or why this is, and most studies view subsequent creative efforts as a compensatory trait (as Mr Orange suggests). Additionally, creativity in itself is not measured by most studies, and those which do attempt to account for this a standardised creativity test is not used. It all seems a bit wishy washy to me
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i always wondered about how someone could think up the likes of the story for the films such as saw etc.. how the hell could you pull somethin like that out of the air ... must be somethin wrong with those boys heads if ya ask me and they're gettin millions for it!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    you may be right there.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Anyobdy seen the film 'a beautiful mind' with russel crow as a schizophrenic mathematics genius?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    yar. I likes that film I does.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The creative genius- a wonderfully inspiring nutter?!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    yeah damn right
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Load of romantic old bollocks.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote: »
    Load of romantic old bollocks.

    :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    meh *shrugs*
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I watched a programme about this, and apparently there is a direct link between mental illness and creativity.

    A totally useless post really, cause I can't remember anything about the programme!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I watched a programme about this, and apparently there is a direct link between mental illness and creativity.

    A totally useless post really, cause I can't remember anything about the programme!

    haha! right o..

    shame,coz i wouldn't have minded knowing what it was...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I have a friend who likes to think that she's mentally ill but she's not - and is a fantastic drawer. I've had problems with depression and anxiety - i was deffinately more creative when i was more emo, wrote poetry and shit. I'm still not 100% now and have no creativeness whatsoever. Wish i still had.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    why did your friend like to think she was mentally ill..?
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