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How'd I guess you'd say her
on another note, I guess one of the confusions about a women's day, is it's almost as ambigious as a 'human day', because if every woman that ever lived is being celebrated, I dunno, I think memorial days need more of a fine focus. There are more great women than we will manage to remember in this thread. But as to it also allowing the UN to focus on issues, that's good, but one wonders why they don't do that anyway??
Jeanne d'Arc!
"Women are raped" often leads to "but men are raped too!" debates. When it is suggested that women earn a third less you get the whole arguement that actually women are doing pretty damned well and over taking men in some areas... Yadda yadda.
At the end of the day, there's nothing wrong with being a feminist and most feminists I know love both men and women (I don't mean in a bisexual way) and believe in equality. Why is there a women's day?
Because womanhood needs to be celebrated, but also because we need to be aware of what many women go through globally. Feminism is something which needs to expand. Anybody who thinks that women are universally more equal or at least as equal as men need only type in "domestic violence", "rape as a weapon of war" or "comfort women" to understand just how much this world needs feminism, as a global movement of women from all cultures (or at the beginning from cultures where we can speak out) fighting to make the world understand that we're more than sexual objects, more than posessions... That we deserve rights to our bodies.
Yes, we should talk about both masculism and feminism, but anybody who thinks that women have more rights, freedom and respect in this world need to hop off of cloud nine and join reality.
As for feminism in the UK, you only need to look at people's attitudes to rape and rape conviction to understand that feminism is still needed for that little boost to equality. Legally we're equal, of course but culturally there are times when we're still oppressed. A lot of Londoners don't understand what it's like to be sexually assulted on the job and have their boss laugh at them for example. There are parts of the UK which are still more sexist than others and anybody who doesn't believe that needs to go to a working class town like Wrexham and work a bar job as a woman.
Are you for real?
The least relevant posts on this thread have been yours. We haven't all agreed so far but at least we are putting forward our thoughts and then debating them. Seriously, if you're not interested and find people "up themselves" then fair enough, but to come in implying that everyone is boring, up themselves and hijacking a thread in which there has been discussion and a lot of passionate thought is really ignorant.
If your implication was that I hijacked the thread then I apologise [if I did] but I think my contribution - even if tangential - was a lot more valid and helpful than yours. If you thought the thread was - as you claim - interesting to begin with then maybe contributing something relevant to steer the dicussion in a more relevant direction would be better than coming in on your high horse and saying "blah blah blah".
KingofGlasgee, it's cool, I'm prone to losing my rational head at times when discussing women's rights
Cleopatra from Eygpt :yes:
I personally don't see the harm in discussing issues directly linked to the original topic, especially since it makes things a lot more interesting than a thread of posts where people come along and post half a dozen names. There's no harm in letting a thread grow a little in a direction other than the original topic - I'm sure MoK wasn't too upset about it
Princess Diana
well, not delia, because I think she's ace, but Princess Diana? no, if she hadn't died in a car crash you wouldn't have said her.
Listen Sweetcheeks, the OP was glorifying women's achievements in the face of male "oppression", therefore the fact that the first response related to "men's day" was hugely relevant because it underlined the point which was being made (whether it meant to or not) - the whole basis, in fact, for International Women's Day in the first place.
Thanks for you contribution though.
You are having a fucking laugh. :no:
No.
I have one though:
Sophie Scholl.
You can't *not* include people, seriously.
She raised the profile of people who were maimed and injured by landmines, and that's what I remember her for, and everyone gets a bit sensationalist, but I think she made her mark as a great person, whether she died in a car accident or not.
Don't care if she was a whore in her spare time (I heard this somewhere?), she has directly and indirectly improved the lives of a lot of people.
They have aliases (aliai?)
I have no problem with her being celebrated. But it's difficult for a lot of people to herald her as she did do all she did from a position of HUGE advantage where she didn't have to sacrifice or strive to make the changes she did or go to the places she did. It's wonderful that she used her advantage to help people other than herself, but it's like the parable of the widow's mite. When you have more it's kind of expected that you'll give and do more, whereas a completely ordinary woman who went on to change the world through feminist thought or civil rights activism or breaking ground in politics seems like a much more likely candidate.
If that makes sense
However, since this (well, yesterday) was a day for any and ALL women I guess any name thrown into the ring is acceptable. Especially since it's not like there are awards given out, it's just a time to personally appreciate the women who've changed the world. Anyone goes, with a very few notable exceptions.
I think, it's great giving money, but some people actually do get out there and do serious on the ground work. Ewan McGregor for Unicef, for example.
Paula Radcliffe
Kelly Holmes, dual gold ftw!
She is ace :yes:.
Thrashing men at eventing surely is triumphing in the face of male adversity
Oh absolutely. I mean, if you have money or don't have money it's still good to do whatever is within your means. I just do think it detracts a little when someone hasn't struggled through diversity and hardship to do good - whether that is the right or wrong way to think is down to individual opinion.
Marilyn French
Jeanette Winterson
Margaret Atwood
Anita Diamant
Marie Stopes
Naomi Wolf
Camille Paglia
Gloria Steinem
Celia Sánchez
Surely you know Delia Smith!
What the old dear that cooks? Yes.
:thumb:
The work she did abroad was fantastic and should be appreciated, but I think the fact that she died meant she was almost canonised and her works became hugely magnified. I can understand feeling annoyance that she was shouted from the rooftops as an angelic being, when a lot of people who aren't as photogenic and don't have a right royal backstory are completely ignored by the AP and Joe Public.
That said a lot of people dislike Princess Di for completely unrelated and assorted reasons, so it's difficult to guage exactly the specific why of the vitriol.
Joni Mitchell
Sylvia Plath
Was it ShyBoy who said Joan of Arc? Right on :thumb:
Can't believe I forgot about her, her testimony is simply awe strucking.