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The S*n Says: homophobic chanting at footie grounds just a bit of a laugh
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i hate to say this but to a certain extent its probably right. its not necessarily fair or PC to take the piss out someone/ some stereotype for a laugh, but it happens all the time, and its not necessarily meant in a derogative way. i think people nowadays tend to take things a bit too much to heart and we go to extremes in what is right / wrong to say / whats politically correct, etc.
There is nothing wrong with taking the piss up to a degree. I guess the tricky bit is agreeing what's the cut off point.
The S*n obviously thinks a bit of humorous gay bashing is alright. And 40 years ago it would have thought (if it had existed then) that a bit of humorous banter about blacks was also alright.
Brighton fans are said to hear all sorts of hilarious chants on their travels and even at home, from 'does your boyfriend know you're here' to far worse.
Frankly I can't believe they're actually suggesting things should be left as they stand. Well, actually I can- this is the Scum we're talking about.
If you changed it to 'black' or 'jew' it wouldn't work, as yelling 'you're black' would be a pretty daft thing to say when I'm white, whereas yelling 'you're gay' works as an insult whether you like it or not.
I'm with the Sun, there's a line, but this type of banter doesn't cross it and is no worse than the taunts becks had to put up with regarding him and Victoria's sexual proclivities.
Even straight footballers who were perceived as 'not one of the lads' such as Le Saux were tainted not only by fans but by fellow players- such as the discraceful incident with Robbie Fowler.
I'm sure many fans who engage in such chants are not homophobic and simply see such attacks as fair game and a bit of a laugh. But it is still wrong and it should be stamped out.
Sol Campbell and Ashely Cole have found themselves the victims of some pretty disgraceful chants last season. Such behaviour should be treated as racist behaviour would.
I see it as a more serious problem myself for reasons given in my previous post.
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Is the chanting 'genuine wit'? I don't think so ...
There will always be abuse from fans, but homophobic or racist chanting is wrong. It's not banter, it's hatred.
But is chanting "she fell over" or "get up yer queen" when some diving charver like Ronaldo falls over his own wallet homophobic? Is it hate-filled vitriol? Hardly. But it could very easily be construed like that.
*giggle*
I agree that everyone, including gays, should expect some ribbing with some 'genuine wit'. I laugh at plenty of biting gay jokes myself and was quite comfortable laughing at Dafydd long before I found out Matt Lucas was gay. So many gay people do not fall into the wrimp-listed, shrieking stereotype these days that I think the 'chanters' attempt at humour is sometimes uninformed and misguided. But it can be funny in certain circumstances - as long as it's not words like 'get up, you fucking poof'. I agree that, in this instance, it's not necessarily hate-filled vitriol.
It's shite?
Don't you think it's more to do with seating than not being able to abuse players racially or homophobically?
Seating didn't help, but I'm talking about a decline specifically over the last few years. When FIFA publish directives aimed at preventing ANY "intimidation" of players (i.e., not just racist/homophobic abuse), it's obvious the game is heading towards complete sanitisation - something which, if not checked, will destroy football.
I've been to a fair number of football games in this country, on several divisions, and there have been some cracking atmosphere ones and some shit ones. None of which had anything to do with homophobic chanting or the lack thereof.
If you really think 'atmosphere' has anything to do with bigots and twats chanting bullshit I wonder what kind of football games you have been to.
They have?
Link?
That's true.
What Spliffie probably means is that the atmosphere at Ibrox is shite becauses those nasty people at UEFA have threatened Rangers with sanctions like getting kicked out of Europe (although I'm sure they're more than capable of doing that themselves) if they kept on singing songs rejoicing in the death of Catholics.
Since Rangers are a club bigoted to the very foundations, there's no songs left to sign, which if probably what he means by no atmosphere.
Anyway..
There has to be a line somewhere, and it's finding that line.
Are we going to stop slagging fat players, ugly players, players with silly haircuts, players with names that rhyme with something funny, shite players? I despise racism, sectarianism,and homophobia but where do you draw the line? It's also going to be pretty much impossible to manage, it's not like race where it's a matter of black and white.
What if a player was either straight or denying being gay? Would you get nicked for calling one of your own players a tackle shirking poof? Wouldn't that just be like being at a game with only white players playing and calling one of them a n****r?
The game kicked off, Blackburn immediately passed the ball to their Turkish midfielder, Tugay, at which point 35,000 fans stood up in unison, chanting, 'Die in an earthquake! We hope you die in an earthquake!'
Didn't someone earlier in this thread comment that football fans WEREN'T the ignorant morons they're sometimes portrayed as?