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Islam recognises Jesus as a phrophet and worships the same God as Christian's, Islam is merely an extension of christianity in the same way that christianity is an extension of Judeisum.
Isn't part of being a christian respecting other people and listening to what they have to say rather than writing them off before you've listend.
I am neither christian nor muslim yet I feel qualified (and have the degree to prove it) to comment on both.......
Surely the Winter Solstice is December 21st/22nd?
I think it's a little... unusual, though sure it's excellent C4 publicity so I'm not remotely surprised. I take issue with the idea that the alternative Christmas message isn't supposed to be a remotely serious one - whether given by the queen or whoever. Yes, Channel 4 have put a "comedic" (though that in itself is debateable) slant on it some years but you couldn't say that the message delivered by Doreen & Neville Lawrence was - for example - a piss take or anecdotal way to waste a few minutes.
Except Christmas is seen as Jesus the son of god being born. Muslims dont belive he is the son of god. Or do they?
Alot of people including my father celebrate Christmas for its true meaning. I dont think its appropriate that Muslims have anything to do with a celebration of Christianity how "alternative" it might be. I cant begin to imagine if the shoe was on the other foot. Oh wait yes I can, more riots.
Musllim's don't even celebrate Christmas so why does she get the hounour?
Doesn't make sense to me.
Christmas is a Christian celebration and anyone who isn't a Christian has no place celebrating it.
I would allow Muslims to take the equivalent amount of time off at Eid, Hindus at Diwali, etc, but Christmas is for Christians.
It's not a case of the "true" meaning- it is the only meaning.
Muslims don't accept the Trinity but they do belive he was chosen by god to spread his message on earth - in much the same way as Muhammed was.
for me im no christian i see xmas as a chance to get together with family and relax, all i ask for in regards to presents is simple but nice presents like the odd film or cd
Jim V wrote:
And since when is Christmas British as some people mention here? Last time I checked God chose an Arab country to recieve the son of god, not anyone in the west.
No, I'm not saying that. The Christmas message is just a message, and as I say, the Queen has got chuff all to do with it too.
If you don't believe in it you shouldn't be celebrating it, though. It's as stupid as me celebrating Eid by getting a big barrel of beer and some pork chops for tea.
That would be why muslim student groups organise fasts for charity and meals for the end of ramadan that are open to everyone?
You might as well criticise Coca-Cola for using Father Christmas as the symbol of christmas........
I dont think its appropriate on having a Muslim (or any religion) talk about how Muslims have been penalized on veils at a time of year where its considered as a Christian event.
And Christians dont organise charity fund raising all year around?
The point I am making before you went off topic is that Christmas is seen in the world as a Christian event, yes its also seen as a family event as well. I dont think its appropriate on having a Muslim (or any religion) talk about how Muslims have been penalized on veils at a time of year where its considered as a Christian event. The same as it isn't appropriate if a Christian gave the same message at the time of Ramadan.
But you don't know what she's going to be talking about.
In any case, even the traditional message given by the Queen herself talks of many things, from multiculturalism to terrorism to war to many other issues. No subject is taboo, and it does not matter who the speaker is.
What did people stop criticising Islam over Ramadan?
Can't say i noticed, very strange! :rolleyes:
Didn't the first post say she will be mentioning veils?
what do you mean 'celebrate'? it's a national cultural holiday
Reminds me of a comment some American fruitcake made once regarding not being able to speak foreign languages: "If English is good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me!"
It's a Christian cultural holiday.
I'm With Stupid wrote:
Well actually, it's a Christian religious holiday, and a British/Western cultural holiday.
Celebrating Christmas is a British Christian celebration,
Easter is another christian celebration,
Will people please stop refering to Christmas as a British/ National holiday? It's an INTERNATIONAL holiday for fucks sake!
I'm With Stupid wrote:
Stating that it's part of british culture doesn't make it any less part of the culture of another country. The same with Halloween. It's part of British culture. It's part of American culture. It's part of Western culture. None of these statements overrides the other. Yes Christmas is an international holiday. It's also a British holiday.