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I think it's a good idea.
The whole thing that people shouldn't be allowed to cover their faces if they want too is obsurd.
People should be allowed to wear what they want....... what has it got to do with anyone else?
As for christmas, I am basically an Aetheist, but I enjoy Christmas as I actually LIKE the consumerism, dont see the problem with it>?
It's nice to be able to spoil your loved ones with gifts, and get spoiled, and lie around having time off work eating, drinking and being merry and everything that goes with it... in my opinion anyway..!
They knew it'd get people talking, as always
Huh? If by "celebrate" you mean enjoy taking time off work, seeing the family, and over indulging in Christmas pud, then yeah, i'd say that was ok.
I don't suspect many athiests will be celebrating the birth of Jesus.
You get stranger with each debate........
Not really. It's a national holiday, it's an excuse to celebrate the year, be with family, drink too much and eat too much then watch crap films on telly whilst you're half dozing.
Also, I'm not really bothered what channel 4 want to do. I'll be watching the muppets christmas carol or something like that.
Your degree has let you down. Just because these faiths believe in 'one' god, doesn't mean it is the SAME god.
Christianity is a continuation of Judaism based on the prophecies of the Torah. Islam rejects Christianity because, amongst other things, it downgrades the deity of JC to a mere second-class prophet and in many cases, contradicts the history and teachings of both the Torah and the New Testament. No 'extension' there to Christianity then - if anything, it is a step back rather than a continuity.
Islam is a monotheist religon but the 'revealed' nature of their god is quite different to the other two - so cannot be the 'same' god.
Last time I checked it was the same "god" - small technical point but you wouldn't want to go around offending any Jews or Muslims by saying their god was different to yours now would you...
The same god used the Gabriel who we all know from the Christmas story to reveal his wisdom to Muhammed - there is no argument between any of the religions that there is more than one god or different gods - the difference is in the way the different religions interpret the messages he supposedly gave to each of them.
So Muslims don't 'offend' Christians by saying that Jesus Christ is not God but a lesser human being and a lesser prophet than their Muhammed? Jews don't accept JC and neither do Muslims - yet Christians believe JC IS God ... so how can they be worshipping the same god?
You updated your message so I missed this part ....
Hold on, so the SAME Gabriel that declared to Mary that she would give birth to the human expression of God (Jesus Christ), is the SAME Gabriel that told Muhammed that JC is just a prophet? Which one is correct? Where is the misinterpretation of that? Seems like pure contradiction to me. The 'interpretation' therefore depends on which account you believe in ...
didnt marge simpson do it last year?? channel 4 just like to take the mick
i wont be watchin this christmas message of the one by the queen as i have better things to do on christmas day like eatting my christmas dinner lol
Yeah, I am.
And in return Muslims should be allowed the same amount of time off for Eid, Hindus for Diwali, etc etc.
My understanding is that Jesus does crop up in Islamic teaching, but Jesus is just a minor prophet rather than the Son of God.
Mohammed is the Big Cheese of Prophets, though.
Think this through though... that basically means everyone has seperate holidays, yea? That's not very inclusive
Why not make a holiday season, where everyone regardless of race or belief can celebrate together? For 95% of the population (maybe less?) it's not about Jesus, it's about happiness and family. Whilst you might hate it all, and like to work triple time, it's the one time of the year I get to see all my family, get a bit merry and laugh a lot.
Just because it started off as being about Jesus doesn't mean we can't use it as an excuse to kick back. It's good for national spirit, most people I know look forward to christmas because they can have a good time with their family and loved ones. I guess you get some cynical ones who see it just a way to get money of us. But if all you care about is money then you're missing what christmas is really about!
Having a really really great time!
I can only assume the answer must be 'no', seeing as you have such crystal clear concept of what Christmas means and should be.
I don't.
One thing that upset me was at a previous workplace Muslims being prevented from taking time off at Eid, and it being the same for Hindus being prevented from taking time off at Diwali.
Equally, I think its great that the only time my local Indian is closed is for Eid.
I try to avoid Christmas office parties, they're hateful things;)
Absolutely correct, Kermit. He often mentioned and highly regarded but is considered a prophet only after importance to Muhammed. He is not considered to be 'God' as the Christians believe JC to be.
This is more of a practical problem isnt it though?
There are religious holidays that some people want to see. I think they should be allowed to, but not compensated (i.e. it comes out of their holiday pay). Bizarrely, my friend who was Hindu celebrated Diwali every year (sometimes my family went too!
But I think there is a genuine need for a national religion-free holiday. And I think in a way that's what Christmas is, although it's supposed to be about Jesus most people just have a good time with friends and family. I know I never do anything Christian really.
Then of course, why couldn't this 'national religion free' holiday be either on another religious festival or at some random point in the year? Well, it's just how it happened really. Most people in this country were Christian and celebrated Christmas as a Christian holiday (and ignore the pagan rubbish, it's irrelevant really), then as time went on it became more just a 'holiday' than a religious festival and that's where we are.
I think everyone should be entitled to celebrate it, whether they're Christian, atheist, Muslim or Hindu. The fact that we can play the Santa Claus card for kids is an added bonus, imo. Who didn't get excited by Santa when they were little?
"British Christian celebration" ??
Hmm .. me thinks you slipped up there ... cos I'm sure non British Christen also Celebrate Christmas.
Anyway Muslims do believe in Jesus and that he was a Prophet of God's, they just don't believe he was his Son.
"Anyway Muslims do believe in Jesus and that he was a Prophet of God's, they just don't believe he was his Son"
Therefore dont believe in Christmas.
What about people who don't have a faith?
"No holidays for you, heretics!"
You really are full of nonsense sometimes.
I agree. I love the lights and the spirit, spending time with family and relaxing etc.
Personally, I don't care if a muslim delivers ch4's chritmas message or not - i wouldnt watch it. its not sacrelige. as a muslim, i wouldnt be bothered if a chistian delivered an eid message.
You are a Muslim?