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And since when is Christmas British as some people mention here? Last time I checked God chose an Arab country to recieve the son of god, not anyone in the west.
I think it's a little... unusual, though sure it's excellent C4 publicity so I'm not remotely surprised. I take issue with the idea that the alternative Christmas message isn't supposed to be a remotely serious one - whether given by the queen or whoever. Yes, Channel 4 have put a "comedic" (though that in itself is debateable) slant on it some years but you couldn't say that the message delivered by Doreen & Neville Lawrence was - for example - a piss take or anecdotal way to waste a few minutes.
Yeah, absolutely - just making a point about the value of an alternative view.
Hopefully the message will actually promote some of tolerance that seems in short supply from some religious groups - Chrisitians and other religions - at the moment.
Muslims don't accept the Trinity but they do belive he was chosen by god to spread his message on earth - in much the same way as Muhammed was.
That would be why muslim student groups organise fasts for charity and meals for the end of ramadan that are open to everyone?
Moron.......
You might as well criticise Coca-Cola for using Father Christmas as the symbol of christmas........
you call 'santa' and poor quality music/tv a religious holidays, for me im no christian i see xmas as a chance to get together with family and relax, all i ask for in regards to presents is simple but nice presents like the odd film or cd
not really, considering where the xmas holiday is based ie the assimilation of the pagan holidays - so nowadays it is a odd holiday in that for some it's a religious do, for some its a cultural thing - i dont believe in christ god or anything like that however it works as a bringing people together holiday as in the words of the manics
'we love the winter it brings us closer together'
i like Xmas in futurama :thumb: works really well
they see him as one of many prophets, from talking to a few people knowledgable on the koran, but only a minor one
I'm also not a Christian, but this also what it means to me.
Reminds me of a comment some American fruitcake made once regarding not being able to speak foreign languages: "If English is good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me!"
what do you mean 'celebrate'? it's a national cultural holiday
And Christians dont organise charity fund raising all year around?
The point I am making before you went off topic is that Christmas is seen in the world as a Christian event, yes its also seen as a family event as well. I dont think its appropriate on having a Muslim (or any religion) talk about how Muslims have been penalized on veils at a time of year where its considered as a Christian event. The same as it isn't appropriate if a Christian gave the same message at the time of Ramadan.
In any case, even the traditional message given by the Queen herself talks of many things, from multiculturalism to terrorism to war to many other issues. No subject is taboo, and it does not matter who the speaker is.
What did people stop criticising Islam over Ramadan?
Can't say i noticed, very strange! :rolleyes:
Still, as I said I don't believe any issue (within reason) is taboo, and it certainly doesn't matter who delivers the message.
It's a Christian cultural holiday.
I have no issue with a Muslim doing this speech- great for tolerance- but Christmas is a Christian holiday, not a Pagan one or a Pastafarian one. The clue is in the name, folks.
I don't think Christmas should be "inclusive"- people who celebrate other Gods should get their time off at their festival.
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Do they not celebrate Xmas in other countries?
I think you mean that Easter is another pagan celebration. Eggs, bunnies, death & rebirth, even the timing of it (something to do with the new moon and the equinox). Hmmmmmmmm.
Look at how everyone was supposed to feel guilty because some kids won't get loads of crap this christmas because a company went bust.
If something was born in the UK (like Halloween) and then it expanded to other countries and regions then, sure, I wouldn't have a problem with you saying it was a British tradition because even if it is celebrated in other countries, the first thing that pops to mind is that it is British. But for a feast like Christmas which was imported from another region saying in first place that it is British, sounds a bit ethnocentric to me, that's all.