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you're confusing the issue here, we're all in agreement that it's not normal or healthy, who is arguing otherwise? that's not my point and i think you know that........you're perfectly entitled to your opinion on any matter, you just can't force me or anyone else to agree with you, not through law or any other means, it changes nothing, drug prohibition is a fine example of what I'm getting at here, it doesn't hurt you or anyone else if i puff away in my room so why give a fuck......? i don't care if it's not normal or healthy in anyone else's mind, it's my body my damn choice, i really don't understand how this is such a difficult concept to grasp?
Or watching it?
Surely spanking is a form of violence. How are they gonna define violent sex?
It's baffling!!
Its defined as
I'm pretty sure that doesn't cover spanking.
But if Parliament didn't ban that's still forcing an opinion on others - an opinion that it's alright to beat women for sexual gratification and that it should be legal to view pornography of men doing the same.
My post was in fact tongue in cheek.
But... :thumb:
Either you're not doing it right or you are way too fertile
Could've been a masochist, couldn't been paid money to fake it. Still fucked up, important thing is is that she consented and there's a market for it so where's the problem?
Child porn and "Violent" porn are completely different things, for a start one has children in it that are forced to do it and the other is mainstream porn being made with paid "actors"!
Anyone who says it should be banned because it gives ideas to men who watch it to go out and strangle or rape women, is deluded and should also be arguing, the woeful idea of banning any and all forms of film of every single kind that in anyway show violence, sex, drug use or other criminal activity as they undoubtedly by that logic, encourage such things too.
People are not that stupid and a film where some one is murdered is not likely to encourage some one to go out and murder some one else, unless that person is already greatly unbalanced mentally.
Porn by the same token, does not encourage sex, it is just entertainment using sex.
What is classed as violent i may not consider violent. I certainly do not consider spanking as violent, but undoubtedly there are those who do and think it should be made illegal to be shown in porn, despite it being very main stream. Anal sex or Buggery is also, in some peoples eyes, wrong and should not be encouraged through porn, but i love anal sex and anal porn so fuck anyone who wants to ban it i say!
Is strangling fetish videos or a girl occasionally being slapped around the face and spat on while shouting at the guy doing it to do it harder voilent? Probably but its not being forced, she is litterally asking for it and being paid handsomely to do it and if she is prepared to do it, maybe she and other people outside of porn enjoy it. I mean some men visit dominatrix's to be abused by them...they probably waych pron of men being degraded, should these be banned incase they enourage a woman to go out dressed in PVC and kidnap some hapless man, lock him in her dungeon at home and abuse him to death?
It is a ridiculous law and a waste of time and money to create it and enforce it.
that's bollocks, by your logic they should ban all films and movie games where people shoot each other, because if they don't they're saying it's alright to go out and do it in real life :rolleyes: give me a break. laws are in place to stop and punish people for beating women and shooting people, because it affects someone else. owning violent porn does not mean a normal person will suddenly be more prone to go out and start beating women, if its not hurting anyone else why make it illegal? oh yeah i forgot, because now the government wants to control your thoughts as well as your actions......
Have I said it does make me people more violent? I haven't cos I don't believe it does.
I still support this law simply because I don't take the position that every man is an island and that there are some lines that decent societies don't cross. Will this law work - who knows but it sends a clear message that society as a whole thinks that these types of films are a disgrace, if you watch them your a fucking pervert and that violence towards women for sexual gratification is wrong.
Fucking hell, I'm supposed to be the right wing one so why the hell am I try to explain the concept of society to people.
i understand the concept of society thanks, i also understand the concept of individuality and personal freedoms, of course there is a balance i just dont' think this is it.........like i said laws are there to punish people if they cross the line, you agree with me that watching violent porn doesn't make you go out and strangle women, so let me ask you........do we need laws to send out messages that this kind of stuff is sick? do you need to be told? cos i don't, i worked it out all by myself i guess i must be a genius........the sick fucks who are into this also know it's wrong and society doesn't approve because they don't go broadcasting it from the rooftops, much like paedophiles won't hand out fliers with little kids on 'em.........bottom line is it doesn't stop them doing what they do, the rest of us are well aware paedophilia and violent porn is sick, we don't need laws to "send us a message" ffs, how dumb do you think the average person is? obviously with paedophilia kids are being exploited so i fully support making it illegal, but with violent porn who's the victim exactly? the sucker watching it and that's about it......
ETA: and if we don't need a law to point out the obvious, then why do we need it at all?
this law is bollocks, and i love the 'oh but violent porn degrades women' when actually whoever is the sub gets degraded and whenever i've visited fetish fairs etc there are plenty of male subs who love being treated like crap - also in real bdsm the sub holds the power as they control the ultimate pleasure by being able to stop it whenever they want (using a safety word)
Yeah, of course they should. If the photo wasn't of a child, and hasn't hurt a child, then there should be nothing legally against being in possession of that image.
The big issue I have with this law is what constitutes "violent". The BDSM community has a thriving adult industry, and some of it can be pretty intense. Should that be banned, even though the people participating in it consent, and actively enjoy the bondage and pain?
I don't think its desirable to be looking at vast porn collections of rape and torture, but I don't think its desirable to be telling consenting adults what they can and cannot do.
The reason why this law is being proposed is because one nutter strangled a woman to death. As if him looking at BDSM porn was enough to make him a nutter. I appreciate and understand that prolonged exposure to this type of material normalises sexually aggressive behaviour, but he didn't do what he did because he looked at intense and violent porn.
I do think violent media normalises violent behaviour, but I don't think that is a good enough reason to ban it carte blanche. The media have a responsibility to be less gratuitous with their violence, especially gratuitous sexual violence, but if people make a conscious decision to watch and own this material I don't think the government should be slamming them in jail for three years for it.
Unless the adults are harming those who are unable to give valid consent, such as children, then it is not for the government to decide what is morally acceptable. And it is even less for the government to imprison those who fall outside its moral code.
FFS there not banning porn, they're not even banning bondage or sado-machoism. if it floats your boat you can still get videos of women being tied up and spanked. You can still do it in your spare time if you want. What they banned is extreme violence - something which it was already illegal to make or distribute anyway.
It's gonna be pot luck with the magistrates, and I wouldn't fancy my chances passing off BDSM pornography to those braindead morons.
From the Home Office website - so it's stuff which already covered by the ban. Now I accept that when the Bill is published this may have changed but we can only discuss what we know about it.
so no rugby or boxing then, about as homoerotic as possible and both can result in life threatening injuries technically
the problem is that at the moment, a couple in their own time can choke the other for JOINT CONSENSUAL sexual pleasure but wouldnt be able to watch it
the porn censorship laws in the country are a joke, if the censors can watch it, surely i can......