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Are there any world leaders you actually admire?

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  • Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Stalin's Organist Posts: 13,327
    Aladdin wrote:
    I'm sure he would actually say that.

    Remember how the US (and shamefully Britain and the other WWII victors) refused to remove the little Hitler-supporting fascist shit when it could have been so easy.

    And why? Because Franco shared their fear/hatred of Evil Commies, so the little fascist could be used to keep Reds at bay at the gates of Europe. And let the Spanish people be fucked for 40 years by a Christianofascist ruthless dictatorship, but never mind that.

    How true.

    Ah well... least he is gone now. Shame the US won't stop supporting Fascist Guerillas in the Columbia, but hey. What do you expect from the CIA, to be quite honest?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    I'm sure he would actually say that.

    Remember how the US (and shamefully Britain and the other WWII victors) refused to remove the little Hitler-supporting fascist shit when it could have been so easy.

    And why? Because Franco shared their fear/hatred of Evil Commies, so the little fascist could be used to keep Reds at bay at the gates of Europe. And let the Spanish people be fucked for 40 years by a Christianofascist ruthless dictatorship, but never mind that.

    It was easy as just 'removing' him was it?

    This from the man who is utterly against the war in Iraq despite the removal of the dictator there?

    Damned if you do and damned if you don't eh? make your mind up.......

    :confused:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    saddam husien. good all round supporter of the west and western values.
    our best bet against religous fanatics in the middle east.
  • Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Stalin's Organist Posts: 13,327
    saddam husien. good all round supporter of the west and western values.
    our best bet against religous fanatics in the middle east.

    Sadly true.

    And now he is gone!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I miss Saddam! Bring him back! Arm him to the teeth! Set him loose on Iran and sit back with a nice cognac to sip on.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    subject13 wrote:
    I miss Saddam! Bring him back! Arm him to the teeth! Set him loose on Iran and sit back with a nice cognac to sip on.
    we tried that one as well ...what seems to go wrong is ...the americans are always involved.
    have they ever got anything right when it comes to war ...have they ever won?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    They are called world leaders because they lead their respective countries and thus, as a group, they are leaders of the world. That is not to say that they lead the world (against whom?) merely that within the world, they are leaders of the constitute nations of the world. If I'd called them super-awesome lovely peope, that would be labelling. This is calling them by their titles.

    You can call them any title you like. And be LED by anyone you like. I don`t care and I won`t stop you.
    You want me to believe that Bob Geldof, Bono and Bob Dylan are the real world leaders?

    I don`t want you to believe anything.
    Don't get into a semantics argument with me.

    Friendly advice or a threat ?

    If it`s the latter maybe you too could be a "world leader".I think from my own observations that the sugar coating is as important as the threats.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    seeker wrote:
    You can call them any title you like.

    You still didn't explain why terms such as world leaders are such labels and what the sugar coating has to do with anything.
    seeker wrote:
    And be LED by anyone you like.

    Yeah sadly, that's not really the way democracy works. One guy kinda leads us and my protests for an authoritarian dictator fall on deaf ears but never mind.
    seeker wrote:
    Friendly advice or a threat ?

    Little from column A, little from column B but mostly advice.
    seeker wrote:
    If it`s the latter maybe you too could be a "world leader".

    1) How could I too be a world leader if my statement was a threat or not
    2) The 'threat' was to do with arguments about semantics. What the fuck has this got to do with semantics.

    So to conclude, what the fuck are you on about?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    sophia wrote:
    I miss klintock :(

    Yeah me too. I also wish Monocrat would poke his head in every so often in whatever guise he chooses this week.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    we tried that one as well ...what seems to go wrong is ...the americans are always involved.
    have they ever got anything right when it comes to war ...have they ever won?


    The answer is No! They have never ever won a war with out the help of a someone else. To drive the British out of America in the "War of Independence" they needed the french to come and fight for them, think for them and force Britain to hold most of its forces in Europe maintaining its Empire.

    In essence, America is one big waste of time, unless Martin Sheen as Jed Bartlett is the President.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rolly have you just discovered YouTube? I swear your past 10 posts have all been YT links!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You still didn't explain why terms such as world leaders are such labels and what the sugar coating has to do with anything.

    my protests for an authoritarian dictator fall on deaf ears but never mind.

    If anyone demanded that you do something that they tell you to, would you ? If not, why not ?

    What would stop you from bowing to their demands ?

    Would you label(?) that person "an authoritarian dictator" ? If not, why not ?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rolly have you just discovered YouTube? I swear your past 10 posts have all been YT links!
    :D sorry about that mate ...it's a sign of laziness ...when i have little or nothing left to offer ...bit like replying with a smiley and all that.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    seeker wrote:
    If anyone demanded that you do something that they tell you to, would you ? If not, why not ?

    Depends if it were beneficial to me or not. But things called laws don't really afford you the choice. The person in charge, the person who LEADS the country gets to make the laws and thus people like me who do not have the power, don't get to make the laws and thus have to follow them. Sounds a little authoritarian but laws are in place for a reason. They're generally for the good of society. Note the presence of the word generally.
    seeker wrote:
    What would stop you from bowing to their demands ?

    Firstly, I wouldn't be bowing. I would be conforming. Secondly, they are not demands, they are laws. Thus I would not be bowing to their demands, I would be conforming to their laws which doesn't sound so completely outrageous now does it?
    seeker wrote:
    Would you label(?) that person "an authoritarian dictator" ? If not, why not ?

    I can label him a sausage for all the difference it makes. Labelling is a meaningless standard to judge by as the world around us is made up of nothing more than labels. As a linguist, this is a philosophy that fascinates me - the use of language. Wittgenstein's very interesting theories on the use of labelling and language go roughly like this if my memory serves me correctly.

    What is the thing we sit at to eat? A table.
    Why is this object called a table? It is not called a table because it displays any table-like qualities or indeed by virtue of its 'table-ness'. Table is simply a word, a 'label' that we give to this objec that we sit and eat at. Therefore all language, all names are completely meaningless as they are all random sequences of letters strung together to name the objects that we find around us in the world. They are all labels and thus to describe something as a 'label' is to describe it as a name. Thus arguing that I'm 'labelling' things, is tantamount to saying that I am calling things by their name. It is a meaningless thing to say and I wish you would properly explain yourself.

    Quod erat demonstrandum.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    :D sorry about that mate ...it's a sign of laziness ...when i have little or nothing left to offer ...bit like replying with a smiley and all that.

    No worries. YT is pretty ace. Search for a video called 'The Internet is for Porn' (it isn't porn - just a very funny song - so turn up your speakers).
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The truth is seeker isn't interested in this thread, or gives a fuck about seriously answering your comments, and he just can't face posting his own thread because he knows no one will reply.

    He's obviously just decided to try and ruin the boards the same way Klintock did, and he'll be banned the same way if he continues.

    So from now on can replies remain on topic, (what world leader do you admire, etc) and replies trying to get seeker to actually answer a question will be removed. I'm not going to see the boards dragged down again because seeker wants to insult and ruin the debates other people want to have.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wow. I'm in the right for once.

    Alright Jim - getting back onto topic, who is your most admired world leader?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kofi Anan, but that may be a cheeky way to avoid having to come up with a national leader that has any respect left these days.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jim V wrote:
    Kofi Anan, but that may be a cheeky way to avoid having to come up with a national leader that has any respect left these days.

    Interesting choice. I'd say Anan's respect took a battering after his son's galavantings. Not really dad's fault but people will use any excuse these days to smash people's credibility.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    Gonna provide a source for such an outrageous claim?
    Since Fidel Castro took over the island in 1959, the best figures that we can glean is that between 30,000 to 40,000 people either have been executed en los paredones de fusilamiento (in the firing squad wall) or have died in the hands of their communist jailers.
    The scholar Armando Lago has arrived at a death toll of 105,000 victims directly attributed to the regime of Fidel Castro.

    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/12/6/145131.shtml

    more

    http://www.cubaarchive.org/english_version/
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Anan gets my vote, too... even if he doesn't strictly qualify
    At least he's human.

    I also respect Hugo Chavez
    That man has to put up with some incredable shit...like this..

    Hugo Chavez Is Crazy!
    By Greg Palast
    http://www.alternet.org/story/16255/

    One of my favourite personal descriptions of Chevez can be found here:
    http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php?id=688
    written by Cindy Sheehan

    Here's a snippet:

    "Hugo is an effective orator who can lecture on any topic for hours (believe me!). He is smart, personable, has a great sense of humor, and takes the time to get to know people on a human level. (He never called me "Mom" once the entire time I was with him--unlike George). I was with him three times in Venezuela and each time he gave lengthy speeches about American (North and South) history never using a single note: tying our histories together with the present in very meaningful ways. On the other hand, George Bush can barely speak when he is reading from a teleprompter"
    ............................................................................................

    Yeah, Hugo Chevez
    Anyone who demands that the US (Government) get in line with everyone else and stop thinking they can gain oil by force because it's beneath them to share with 'the gawd damn untermenchen' gets a vote from me.
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