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The private sector is considerably more expensive - out of the reach of many.
I'm too young to remember Thatcher too, I was just commenting that many of her critics weren't even really around at the time.
The Sun reflects the views of its readers. It changes and adapts to the feelings of its readers, hence it went from being staunchly in favour of the Conservatives to cheerleaders of New Labour by 1997. The Sun has stayed relevant to its readers through generally quite successfully gauging their views and taking a similar line.
Given the aging nature of Europe (including the UK of course), Id say that was a mistaken notion. Most of her critics will in fact be of my age group or older and more than sufficiently cognisant of the impact of her wayward policies and will to power.
I don't think that matters to be honest, so long as the person has a basic knowledge of how things were and looks up stuff to cross check. Otherwise we would have no right commenting on the rights and wrongs of any historical figure.
The S*n is simply a mouthpiece for Rupert Murdoch, and before him for whichever right wing owners it had.
The Scum is just about as representative of the working classes as Royal Ascot.
I am asking if you do know what you are saying, because you are claiming things that are opposite to the truth and actual events.
Thatcher damaged the working classes to greater extent than any other Prime Minister in history. From persecuting single mothers and the unemployed (most of which, contrary to right wing and tabloid newspaper bullshit, are not 'scroungers') to destroying entire industries, overseeing the selling of council homes that has resulted in an appalling shortage of affordable housing for the poor, removing free milk from schools, demonising society...
You must be having a laugh.
Luke, Margaret Thatcher didn't legalise homosexuality. :rolleyes: It was done well before she got into power.
She was a bigoted homophobe who presided over the creation of Section 28 for fuck's sake. You should know more about issues that are an important part of your life.
Christ...
Newspaper owners naturally have some influence on their publications. The Sun however would not be the enormously popular publication it is if it didn't to some extent represent the views of its readers. (And those readers are mainly C1/C2/D)
And I suppose the Guardian is representative of the working class? I'm not a fan of The Sun but it's a misunderstanding to believe the paper dictates to its readers what to think (that's also incredibly patronising). The Sun, skilfully and better than other tabloids tailors its message to the changing views of its readers - who mostly fall into C1/C2/D categories - indeed, as is well known The Sun has a significant lead over its competitors among these groups. It wasn't the Sun wot won it in 1992, nor was it The Sun throwing its support behind Blair that led to Labour winning in 1997 - to a large extent politically The Sun reflects the views of the masses.
No it doesn't. I know a number of present and former readers and the immense majority of them got it because of the sport, tits and gossip- a light read for your tea break.
I have in fact never come across anyone who agrees with the ultra right wing, ultra neo-con, homophobic, disgusting editorial line of the Scum. Though such people certainly exist, they represent but a small minority of the total readership of that depicable piece of shit of a publication.
Its no small indicator of the tone of discourse that much of US media and press is controlled by two of the US's major defence contractors (GE and Westinghouse) with the remainder controlled by a handful of other corporations ideologically in sync with their interests.
The difference is of course that once she got into power she presided over Section 28 and she was an unashamed prejudiced homophobic bigot.
Do a bit of research for fuck's sake. Next you'll claim Adolph Hitler was a friend of the Jews.
ETA: Do you mean by presided that it existed during her government? Because it wasn't repealed until 2000, so it's hardly ringing evidence is it...
Safe to say she was very much an ardent supporter of the measures.
Having read the article I feel like it's understandable why it went through. especially after what the gay liberation front said with AIDs emerging as well, you can see how the general public must have found the adjustment hard, it was transistional legislation
Section 28 was a mistake and things have moved on since then but I think the gay rights lobby itself deserves part of the blame for fuelling the context that Section 28 was formed in. With well known gay rights leaders campaigning for the abolition of the age of consent, some even having close links with the paedophilic NAMBLA and others demanding the destruction of the family it's unsurprising that some people misguidedly panicked.
Anyway talking of the Conservative party as some bastion of homophobia is pretty selective, of the days we were talking of it was more society as a whole. Within the Labour party, especially up north I'm sure local labour clubs, unions, etc not so long ago were pretty hostile to gays. (Many still are I imagine). And the liberals, well Simon Hughes got into Parliament thanks to a homophobic smear campaign against one of his opponents.
I think Luke is quiet clear in what he saying. He is not saying Thatcher legalised homosexuality. He is saying that she voted for it. Which she did...
Section 28 is homophobic but there were no cases put forward because of the legislation, it wasn't effective at all.
PMSL!
How do you know they're council houses?
That's an odd non-sequitur.
Well quite. Doesn't stop you praising her up though does it? Even though you're too young to remember. Hypocrite.
What are you on about?
Hang on - when did you become the voice of the working classes? What the fuck do you know? Fucking parrot.