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thats a joke right?
do you know anything about homelesness in america?
do you have any idea how many hard working families ended up having to live off meagre benefits in the uk?
They all voted Kinnock.
Acually if you care to look at my posts where I have discussed this, I have said that it was a good opportunity for working class people at the time to be able to buy their property. The only problem is, without bulding anymore social housing and by abolishing things like the fair rent act, the homelessness situation is now at crisis point, especially in London.
I'll thank you not to misrepresent me in the future. Ta.
Not surprising he should believe all critiques to be as shallow a matter as "left-wing" discontent. Anne Coulter would be proud of his simplistic drivel though, without doubt.
yeahof course hard working familes remember her fondly.
yes it was engineered that way.
http://www.charter88.org.uk/publications/violations/hodgson.html
There wasn't a single person "robbed of their vote" because of the Poll Tax, Clan.
Personally I think that it's sad that party politics gets in the way of something like this. Thatcher was the longest serving PM in the 20th Century and she was the first female PM. At a time, most notably, when equality was still in it's infancy.
If a country cannot mark that kind of achievement, to the highest office available to the "common man", then what does that make us.
I couldn't stand her policies, they were divisive and certainly not helpful to the working classes. That doesn't mean that I cannot admire her achievements and IMHO it's churlish not to.
And Reagan was a murderer and a state terrorist who financed the nastiest possible kind of lunatics, fascists and butchers across the globe. I don't have much time myself for comments suggesting he actually was a good man or a good president.
Fair enough.
From the attempted murder of the welfare state and of every single public service to embracing an indescribably nasty culture of greed and 'fuck everyone but myself' to the destruction of workers' rights and entire industries to her alliances with fascists, racists, murderers, butchers and Apartheid sympathisers to the legacy of bigger gap between rich and poor and twice as many children under the poverty line, there is not much to celebrate at all by the working classes- or most other people for that matter.
Post of the WEEK if it didn't make no sense out of context. Dang it.
Looking through rose coloured glasses again are we, MoK? Apparently you fail to appreciate that a policy written specifically to ensure that many amongst the poor working class with larger families would be persuaded to avoid declaration of residence and thus relinquish their right to vote IS by any rational definition "calculated disenfranchisement" and an affront to any true democratic principle of a free society.
Arguing that they did it to themselves is precisely the snide and intended PR by which Thatcher washed her hands of her deliberate culpability. Fortunately it was ultimately her undoing.
I still remember the champagne corks popping in the Conservative MEPs offices (save one particular loathsome Tory MEP at the time) when her political demise was announced.
I refer you once again to the Sunday Telegraph quote of the Iron Lady herself posted previously, should any doubt yet persist in that contrarian mind of yours.
This was partly because they were encouraged to do so, by the opponents of the tax who foolishly thought that it was a method of avoidance, or that it would make a point.
It's isn't Thatcher that you should blame, but the wankers on the otherside.
It's partly why it has been referred to as the poll tax because people thought that the Electoral Roll was used to determine who was eligible. So wrong.
I do wonder if you have read it yourself.
Thatcher has made us the 4th richest nation in the world, we are no longer the sick amn in Europe. She understood how the world would shape up and she created an economy which is fit for purpose.
I think she is one if not the best prime minister we have ever had.
Bless you lady Thatcher.
Her premiership was one that helped to shpae this country so that all members of society could progress, not just the upper class elite.
Murder of the welfare state? lol! She believed in a welfare state but for those who genuinally need it or as a safety net for those who need help for a while. Not for those who wish to sit on their arse for the rest of their lives.
While I was at primary school (during the Conservatives years), the education I received then was just like it is now really, prehaps worse these days due to their being no dicipline as bullies and such have so many rights.
The gap between richer and poorer is larger now than it was ever under Thatcher.
She decreased the unions control and what did Blair do.... keep it the way thatcher had it.
OK my family has always been working class. My dad was self employed and only earned very little a week. We didn't go on holiday. We only afforded the rent for the council shitty house and food, maybe clothes as well. But they voted Conservative every single time. Also the working class have benefited from Thatcher and obviously like her policies as they wouldn't use them such as the right to buy policy. Many council houses around area have been bought. Now working class people can achieve something and own somethihng them selves instead of people who live miles away telling you what you can and can't have in your house. Plus when you purchase a home, it is truely yours.
It varies. I don't think there's any universal hatred for Thatcher across the working class, in certain communities there is of course; she's never going to win any popularity contests in a former mining town. Overall amongst the working class I think it's pretty mixed though. Tbh some of Thatcher's biggest critics seem to be people who were very young while she was PM/people who can't remember it. Among the skilled working class esp I don't think she's as hated as people like to make out. I know both of my grandfathers were strong union people all their lives but supported Thatcher. And if you believe the Sun reflects (rather than dictates) mass opinion it was very firmly behind Thatcher...(The Sun as in 1992 claims it determined the election outcome but it seems rather as noted by its support of Labour from 1997 it more just reflects public opinion). The Sun I believe since the 80s as had the most C1/ C2/D readers.
What's your excuse then? You clearly were not even born for the bulk of her reign and a mere babe at best at the time of her rightful downfall. At least those who lived through it have experiential backing for their critiques, rather than mere hand me down claims.
If don't don't fancy buying a council house, look into the private sector.