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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lifeless wrote:
    Hmm, I dunno. I do kind of enjoy brooding. Besides, I've gone after all kinds of women and they all seem to find immaturity really attractive.

    I'm just really not impressed with life at all.
    No, women like confidence.
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    SkiveSkive Posts: 15,286 Skive's The Limit
    AD have an effective placebo effect but not much more than that.

    Infact in clinical trials submitted to the FDA from these big pharma companies show that in 80% of the time a placebo was as effective as the AD. Over half of these trials failed to show any difference between an AD and an inert placebo.

    The fact that science has yet to proove that depression is a chemical inbalance escapes a lot of people. Too many people are too quick to buy into the adverts for these AD's.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lifeless wrote:
    Just a load of crap at school. Everything I did got ridiculed :impissed:. And my "friends" eventually ditched me because they got caught up in it sometimes. It made it impossible to socialise. It didn't end at school either...
    Well it's something you have to work on. I was bullied in school too because I have dyspraxia and had a scoliosis at the time, I was also psychologically abused by my Dad's alcoholic girlfriend and ended up in a unit with depression and anxiety disorder.

    I got over it by learning from my mistakes and realising that I have friends now who will not mock me. I'll admit I have confidence problems at times (mainly due to the way I look), but at the end of the day it's something that you deal with. The past is gone and as an adult, people are far less likely to rip the piss... If they do then give it back.

    I don't know your medical history or how down you are, but in order to get better... And I hate to say this, you need to work your ass off and build yourself up to be in more scary situations.

    As for the women, you need to quite the attitude of women only going for men who are immature, it makes you appear as if you see yourself as above them, or have a chip on your shoulder. No offense.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lifeless wrote:
    Just a load of crap at school. Everything I did got ridiculed :impissed:. And my "friends" eventually ditched me because they got caught up in it sometimes. It made it impossible to socialise. It didn't end at school either...
    I think that sort of thing can easily knock your self esteem for six.
    When you say it didnt end at school, what happened after? How old are you now?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Skive wrote:
    AD have an effective placebo effect but not much more than that.

    Infact in clinical trials submitted to the FDA from these big pharma companies show that in 80% of the time a placebo was as effective as the AD. Over half of these trials failed to show any difference between an AD and an inert placebo.

    The fact that science has yet to proove that depression is a chemical inbalance escapes a lot of people. Too many people are too quick to buy into the adverts for these AD's.
    That's arguable. And anyway, since placebos aren't prescribed on the NHS, it seems rather irrelevant.

    Take a look at the evidence:
    http://www.clinicalevidence.com/ceweb/conditions/meh/1003/1003.jsp
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    SkiveSkive Posts: 15,286 Skive's The Limit
    Kentish wrote:
    That's arguable.

    http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/67/9/

    There's very little evidence that depression is caused by a chemical inbalance. Of course it suits the big Pharma companies to say that is it caused by an ibalance, they're cleaning up.

    Kentish wrote:
    And anyway, since placebos aren't prescribed on the NHS, it seems rather irrelevant.

    It's not irrelevent at all. It just goes to show that it's not a chemical inbalance, it's the outlook you have on your life.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There's a world of a difference between a mild reactive depression and a severe suicidal depression. If anti depressants work, and there is solid evidence to support that fact, what's the problem?

    ETA: AHRP, agenda much?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    is this two conversations going on at once?
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    SkiveSkive Posts: 15,286 Skive's The Limit
    Kentish wrote:
    If anti depressants work, and there is solid evidence to support that fact, what's the problem?

    There is no evidence that ADs treat the causes of depression. There is evidence to show that AD's can treat the 'symptoms' of depression, but then again they've been shown to be little more effective than a placebo.

    There are too many people relying on AD's, they should be to something more active to overcome the causes instead of banging on about how misrable they are and reeling of lists of AD's.

    Depression is a state of mind, not a disease.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think that sort of thing can easily knock your self esteem for six.
    When you say it didnt end at school, what happened after? How old are you now?

    I'm 22. It carried on in the sixth form and a few weeks ago I got some at work. Although, it's nowhere near as bad as it was it still knocked me back.
    As for the women, you need to quite the attitude of women only going for men who are immature, it makes you appear as if you see yourself as above them, or have a chip on your shoulder. No offense.

    Above who? Immature people or women? Because despite my crappy self-esteem I do think I'm above immature people.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Skive wrote:
    Depression is a state of mind, not a disease.
    Partly, but it isn't well understood and to suggest that it is 'all in the head' and suchlike isn't helpful to anyone. Non-drug treatments are more readily available these days and it does seem that counselling and CBT are quite popular. If you were the GP faced with someone in the consulting room telling you how awful they feel and how circumstances in their life have triggered depressive symptoms, I doubt you would turn around and tell them that there is no evidence of anything working to help them, so sod off.
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    SkiveSkive Posts: 15,286 Skive's The Limit
    Kentish wrote:
    If you were the GP faced with someone in the consulting room telling you how awful they feel and how circumstances in their life have triggered depressive symptoms, I doubt you would turn around and tell them that there is no evidence of anything working to help them, so sod off.

    No but I wouldn't be telling them that they have a chemical inbalance in their brain and that AD's will help, when there quite clearly isn't any evidence for it. Telling people this rubbish benifits nobody save for the companies selling AD's.

    Prooven treatments for the actual causes of depression include dietry changes, excercise and counselling, that's what I'd be telling them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There's little evidence for counselling at all.

    And diet and exercise are suitable only for the mildest of depressions.
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    SkiveSkive Posts: 15,286 Skive's The Limit
    The point is that AD's work on the premise that depression is caused by a chemical inbalance in your box. AD's do not work to treat the causes of depression the merely aliviate (poorly) the symptons.

    Sometimes i believe that people revel in being depressed and being ill. Many of the people on this board who suffer from depression are the most frequent posters on the Health forum. This is not a coincidence.

    It's not an opinion people liek to hear but I believe beople should stop relying on drugs and outside help to get over their misery. I'm not saying overcoming depression is easy just that the responsiblity lies with them not with their doctor or with a drug company.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't disagree with your point, but I do know that anti depressants make a difference for some people, so wouldn't be persuaded not to prescribe them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lifeless wrote:
    I'm 22. It carried on in the sixth form and a few weeks ago I got some at work. Although, it's nowhere near as bad as it was it still knocked me back.



    Above who? Immature people or women? Because despite my crappy self-esteem I do think I'm above immature people.
    i can see it would knock you back a bit, Bit of a reminder of a time youd like to forget. Some workplaces do just seem to be like an extension of school dont they, Bullying at work is more common than it should be. Did you tell anyone about it? your superior or something? what actually happened? Sometimes writing it out helps to get things in perspective in your head I think.
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    BunnieBunnie Posts: 6,099 Master Poster
    Sometimes writing it out helps to get things in perspective in your head I think.
    definately! it makes you look at the whole thing, rather than focussing on the same parts, and often can make you realise exactly what you need to do to resolve issues. I think thats why so many people stick around on here, and other forums, as writing things out can be a healing process of its own.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Basically, this new girl started and she had to shadow me to learn the ropes and everything. I got on well with her and apparently thats a big deal :impissed:. All night I just got a load of lewd comments even when she was stood there next to me. At first it was just annoying but then it dragged on for over a week and started to get to me.

    There's no point telling the supervisor because he actually made a few comments himself. I could go to the higher ups but it hasn't happened before and it hasn't happened since so I'm more inclined to just leave it for the moment.

    Thinking back it was all a bit stupid and maybe I over reacted but this isn't the first time a girl has become a target because of me. :impissed:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It isnt your fault if other people were behaving like morons but I think you probably know that. It must be really irritating though. Were the comments aimed at you or the girl?
    What did she make of the situation?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Most were aimed at me but she got her fair share aswell. I'm not sure what she made of it. I don't think it bothered her as much as it bothered me but she did seem annoyed at one point.

    I know it wasn't my fault but sometimes it feels like I attract this sort of thing.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    you think you consistently attract the wrong sort of attention?

    Do you think maybe you just handle it differently to others because of your past experiences or do you think people do single you out for it sometimes?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sometimes it does seem that way.

    I can't really handle it very well. Well, I can handle mild teasing but if it drags on too long or just gets out of hand it just really depresses me and I just shut down.

    I definitely get singled out although I do tend to isolate myself from other people. I find it hard to break that habit though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    do you think the other people notice the effect they have on you?
    Do you have anyone you can talk to about stuff like this in real life?, family maybe or a friend?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No.

    And no. My friends aren't interested. They just make empty promises. And if my parents found out I was on meds I'd never hear the end of it. Sadly, I'm on my own with this.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Although not exactly proud to admit it, i actually got done for bullying someone at one of my old jobs. It was the sort of behaviour that you mentioned above, ie i was teasing him a lot cos i thought it was funny, and i thought that he'd find it funny and know it was a joke. Apparently he didn't find it funny and it really upset him. I didn't realise until my boss took me to one side and mentioned it. So i stopped.

    I'm the type of person that can take a lot. Teasing never bothers me, if it's meant as a joke that is. So i just assumed that everyone else was the same. If he hadn't mentioned it, i wouldn't have stopped and he would have carried on being miserable.

    You have to tell people that it's bothering you if things like that happen again. They might be meaning it as a joke and not realising the effect they have on you, then again they might be evil cunts but you won't know until you try.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    cheer up man, some people have it REALLY bad. uve just got a problem. i know some people who are 13-15 and dont have lives. theyre parents hate them and they hate everyone.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    cheer up man, some people have it REALLY bad. uve just got a problem. i know some people who are 13-15 and dont have lives. theyre parents hate them and they hate everyone.
    its all relative. There will always be people worse off and better off than you.
    That doesnt mean you should downplay other peoples problems because just because you might not think its too bad, doesnt mean it isnt extremely real for someone else.

    When someone is depressed, telling them to "cheer up, its not as bad as my mate had it" is about as helpful as a kick in the teeth.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Have you tried hypnosis? I had a friend in a very depressive situation and no drugs helped, only after multiple hypnosis sessions....
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hmm, I don't know. I don't personally believe in hypnosis.

    I'm really starting to consider coming off the pills. I don't think they are working. At this point I feel like I did before I started taking them. Well, maybe a bit better than then. I'm not sure. :chin:
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