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Well he's wrong isn't he because I know gay's who are parents
:yes:
Thats what it boils down to.
That is the same as for example defending soldiers accused of war crimes against criticism because those criticising have no experience of being in the army, coming under fire etc.
or saying you can't criticise Tony Blair's decision to go to war because you would never be in a position of having to make such a decision yourself
etc etc etc
No, it isn't.
While it's highly unlikely any of us would be in either of those positions, it's physically possible that we could be.
I don't think for one second that men can't or shouldn't have - and voice - an opinion on abortions, or any other issue that physically relates solely to women. But when men start getting pregnant and being in the position of choosing an abortion or continuing with a pregnancy... well, then maybe I would take their views - and the attempted imposition of their views - as anything more than a blip on the radar.
Oh, I just saw that post. I totally agree with sophia (can't get used to that name change ).
Would you hold the view of a woman you didn't know in higher regard than of a man you knew for example?
Problem is, there's no way of legislating means of men to have an equal say without the most vulnerable women out there suffering for it. For every great partner out there who would fully support their partner's decisions (regarding any issue of pregnany from abortion to pre-natal testing) there are some who give no support, would run off, or try and coerce their partner into something they don't want.
Back to the post on men's opinions, of course they can hold those opinions, I knew if I had an unwanted pregnancy, I'd want my partner's input. But men can run away from a pregnancy, women can't, it's their bodies which are affected. Even if men could get pregnant, the decision would lie with the person who was pregnant themselves.
I do you see your point but I am not sure that I agree with it.
The principle that only those affected the most should have their views listened to could be easily applied to other situations.
e.g. is it objectionable that heterosexually dominated institution such as parliament decide on policies affecting primarily homosexuals?
Laws etc represent the view of society not certain segments of it....
Are you sure
You might as well have mentioned scottish MPs voting on English issues...
How the fuck is it bigoted? Its a fact - luke has made no secret of being gay. I'm not having a go at him for being gay. i'm not making any derogatory comments. How is it bigoted?
I put it in cos he's not likely to be having kids or have to deal with a pregnant g/f so he's got a different perspective on the debate. I'd have thought that was obvious.
Where have I said that you can't have an opinion?
Yes so do I. So what? Its not the same perspective being in a gay relationship as it is being in a heterosexual one. That's not bigoted, its a fact.
Fucks sake, whats the matter with you? Where have I said that luke can't comment?
You think that's bullying? You need to get out a bit more mate.
In theory I like the idea of men having a say, after all, its part of them too, but in reality, only one decision can be made. You cant compromise - she either gestates or she doesnt. Until the day you can transplant foetuses I think it has to be like this, and a man has to either rely on the goodwill of his partner or discuss in advance what would happen in case of an accident.
Well, exactly :thumb:
I know this might hurt the tender feelings of some men (and women), but it's just not their decision to make. Giving a man - any man - an equal say over what happens to a foetus gives them a say over the woman's body that is equal with her own. That can never happen [again].
As I said - need a diagram do you?
I've stated that homosexual relationships don't produce kids and that therefore there would be a different perspective on reproductive rights. You find that repellent? :eek: That's just utterly bizarre.