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Er... my Govt publically condemns Gitmo.
Look on this site and you will find I have too.
yea, all that you have shown me is something from the western source. good to be brainwashed by your belove amer daddy
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
can you tell me who gave you the right to kill so many million of innocent, many are women and child? that's 10000**times of those kill in tiananman
this is just tip of iceburge. not to mention the secrete held detention center all around the world. does your gov encourage torture, killing,
and you are telling me, you know nothing about kkk.
I can't believe you are being brainwashed to this degree.
aren't they human being, do they have right to live?
I'm always wery of passages that are translated from one language to another.
Loads can be lost in the translation.
Also the mean of words change over time - I remember when Gay used to mean you were happy (i.e. happy and gay).
BTW I can't provide picture of the murders carried out by your Govt because they don't allow cameras there. Funny that you can show pictures of US killings/maimings, isn't it. Wonder why that is.
Like I said, the US is fucked up, their Govt does bad things as does mine. i condemn those actions. Care to comment about the things your Govt does?
come on mok ...
all this pointing out chinas faults whilst ignoring our own is pointless.
they do this ...we do that.
your not as good as us ...we are freer than you ...all bollox.
My Govt claims that the UN did. Although I would dispute the "millions" comment.
How do you know how many unarmed people were murdered in Beijing? Or since, as part of the mopping up of people who dared to criticise.
This country has it's problems with denying the right to voice dissent, but I cannot remember ever hearing of any massacres recently...
Perhaps you should read my comments again. Only one person in this discussion has failed to condemn their Govt actions.
It's called debate Mr Roll. We are not a free as some might think but I am a shit load freer that achinese and I don't think that even you could deny that.
even if you do realize, you gov do alot more bad thing than ours, but you stilll live in a brainwashed, because you can only get access to english western souce of infomation, unlike me, which can get all different variety of source. off couse i can prove they promote selfkilling, discourage people from taking med. i have read it somewhere but i don't keep the link, i need to found it.
do you agrree you are more brainwashed ?
it is being erroded ever quicker.
and lets get real here ...china is a rapidly modernising country.
they can't become free overnight.
Except that isn't actually true now, is it.
I can access sources from around the world, my limiting factir is my ability to speak other languages. Should I wish to learn them, I could.
Then please do.
Nope. Do I agree that brainwashing happens, yes.
you can read both chinese and enlish(british and american same propaganda), i don't think so?
are you more brainwahed?
Indeed, and so many of us sit back and let it happen because we don't see it for what it is. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't value the freedoms we still have. the ability to openly criticise and question our Govt actions is one of those.
I am sure that you are aware, as am I, that for achinese crticising his Govt can lead to a death sentence. For hundreds per year that is a reality.
It is so far from, Mr Roll, that it will take decades at best.
what do some of you think our invasions and death squads look like to other people around the world?
oh but we are only there to help them ... :chin:
I am sorry, i don't understand the point here. W hilst your grasp of my language is impressive, this doesn't actually make sense to me. Sorry.
I can access through the internet, through your embassy if I want information about anything they wish to give me.
There are no banned publications in this country (if you exclude the racist shite), can you say the same?
i would imagine that we only have to look at the Tibet stories for an answer to that question. Worth noting the press coverage of Iraq over here though.
Do you think that Chinese media sources condemn actions by their Govt, do you think that they showed the killing in Beijing?
Don't you think that is what makes a discussion like this so interesting? I always enjoy another viewpoint...
if you won't be able to understand chinese, how could you get our propaganda, how you be able to know our point of view on different issue.
what you have show me is that the only source you get is your daddy's propaganda, not ours, unlike me, i can get both.
So your Embassy wouldn't be able to give me information in my own language?
They can here
you know every detail of american propaganda as soon as it was published, and use that to attack and bashing china,
are you more brainwashed? how could you be able to realize your gov are more evil than ours?
I get similar responses for any attempt to reference Tinanmen Square, or the date of the massacre.
They seem to have much to say about US Death Penalty, but not much about their own (for the record, the UK doesn't have it)
by the way, that link doesn't work either.
Bugeer, so it does. Sorry about that. Might be worth a visit to their site and a search for Falun Gong because there we a lot of links and I am not sure you want them all on here.
What it proves though is that I can get information.
What you still haven't done is back up your claim that Falun Gong is racist etc.
You still haven't commented about partial birth abortions either.
Noo real comment about Tinanmen Square either.
Funny that.
Ah, the old, it much be US propaganda argument. Of course, they couldn't actually be right, could they?
NB I am UK resident, you need to start attacking UK propaganda really. We already think that US news networks are biased so you really don't score any points for telling me that.
The differnece here though is that when 1 million people march in defiance of their Govt, as they did against the Iraq war, the Govt doesn't turn the troops loose on them.
By the way, I do fin it interesting, although not surprising, that you cannot comment on the points I have raised, wheras I can about Chinese viewpoints. I can even concede some if I feel that your view is correct on something.
As for the BBC not reporting Chinses views, I think that you should use it a little more, you might be surprised.