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Is Islam evil?
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What? Not even, for instance, the Thugees?
Edited to say:
After some further investigation:
What an idiot.
Also:
Fairly typical American/fundicon/Christian fundamentalist drivel...hate propaganda.
Something the author of the piece, like so many who casually rattle off this soundbite, obviously has NOT done. :rolleyes:
The original article isn’t particularly eloquent and it’s unnecessarily offensive in places, it’s not very helpful. Although it’s right to recognise that a form of Islam practiced by many – but not all Muslims; and rejected by a significant number is backwards, barbaric and incompatible with any civilised society. Converting to Christianity is punishable by death in Iran and Saudi Arabia, in accordance with Muslim law. And as any Arab Jew (who prior to being exiled from the Arab world) would affirm, along with Arab Christians – non Muslims in the Arab world as dhimmis are treated as second class citizens. (Although following the Jewish exodus from Arab lands Israel absorbed most of the 800,000 Jewish refugees). Muslims in the West rightly expect to be treated equally, it’s unfortunate that more don’t speak out about the vile and indefensible inequalities in Muslim countries.
And while all religions have extremist elements, it’s implausible to imagine the cartoons controversy and Salmon Rushdie episodes occurring in Christianity or Buddhism. Salmon Rushdie, years on after publishing the Satanic Verses is still under constant protection and he still receives continual death threats from intolerant Muslims. The disgusting behaviour of thousands of Muslims towards Rushdie is certainly incomparable to the disapproval of Catholics concerning Dan Brown’s the Da Vinci Code...
Islam it seems is divided between reactionary, illiberal elements incompatible with modern society and progressive and forward thinking Muslims that reject literal Islamic rules of intolerance and barbarity. Unfortunately I’m not so sure the latter is winning. It’s unhelpful however when such articles as the one originally posted in this thread don’t distinguish between the two camps.
Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60
Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76
So much peace and love, eh :yeees:
Well, the old testamement can be pretty brutal too but if you are looking at the single personality who was DIRECTLY responsible for the most deaths while he was alive :
Muhammed = Hundreds of thousands
Jesus Christ = Nil
Fuck off you wee cunt.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
In India until fairly recently woman had to throw themselves on the burning funeral pyre of their deceases husbands. The People's Republic of China is officially secular and atheist yet has a terrble human rights record.
Firstly, the definition of what is "evil" depends on the culture and the religion, in Buddhism there is no sin or evil for example. But to apply a label of what is "evil" to members of an entire religion is arrogance.
chinese human right, do you mean the USA sponsored human right group.
If you read the article you will find he is careful to point out that this is not what he is saying.
He is talking about the ideology, the actions that are motivated by a true belief, rather than the people.....
They didnt have too and it wasn't that widespread, if i remember a wikipeia article correctly.
You are not free to openly believe anything in those sorts of conditions, in the UK you cannot even openly believe some things.
And to apply the label of 'evil' to members of a religion is still arrogance in my eyes.
to tell the true, most of chinese people cannot tolerate any separate movement. this is part of culture, if you know a little bit of chinese history, (xi zhang) tibet and taiwan has always been part of china, and will always be. the chinese has lost its influence in tibet after 8 years of civil war and war 2, the tibetan fall back to slave age , the living stand has improved after we take it back. the human right of few evil monk still worth it to win the good living of general population of (xi zhang) tibet. by the way, xi zhang is the name that's been given to tibet many dynasties ago
In response i agree that Islam like most religions before it has not yet grown or evolved to a developed level. It is after all the youngest/newest of the worlds largest religions. It has only been around since Muhammed created it with his take on the "word of God".
Also, Muhammed was a warrior poet, he formed an entire religion and nearly united an entire race of people under one religion. The fact that he kept slaves, waged wars, killed, etc, is nothing out of time or character or place in history. You can not judge him by todays standards of how a person should behave, it would be like judging Napolean for trying to conquer all of Europe, The Vikings for raping and piliging, The Romans for attempting global conquest or the Mongul hoards of sweeping across Asia killing or enslaving all who defied them. You can not judge.
Finally, no Islam is not evil.
they moan all day long about the western system ...then support it when it comes to forcing it on other people.
the western system tends to invade rape murder destroy and rob ...other people rather than their own ...this seems to make it ok.
spolilt rotten most of them ...health care economiuc security etc.
it's very easy to look down their noses at other systems from this lofty positiion.
yeah, I was newbie back then when i first saw you here, now i'm a fast newbie, a long way to go :yippe:
You say ‘tibet and taiwan have always been part of china, and always will be’ – I assume you therefore reject the ideal of self-determination. If Tibetans and Taiwanese do not want to be ruled by the Chinese government unless you’re a backward colonialist scumbag you cannot support Chinese occupation.