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Do you agree with punishment?
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i.e. children, criminals etc.
If something is stupid or doesn't work you'll soon find out. You don't need to be beaten to stop grabbing hot surfaces.
You do need to be beaten to learn stupid arbitary rules. And what do you also learn?
That the strongest person makes the rules and might makes right.
Some things are inherently "wrong" like murder for example.
So - no one should be punished for murder?
If it's always wrong that is. And if it's always wrong, then how do you punish it in equal measure without doing something wrong yourself?
Nope. The only thing that needs to occur is restotution.
I completely agree. I think that if someone is stupid enough to walk innocently in front of me for no reason, then they are stupid enough to die. :thumb:
(not really)
How do restitute someone who you have just killed? And how do you restitute them?
You can't. They are dead.
It's those who survive them that have lost and need the restitution.
But what sort of restitution and from whom?
Well, there are two types that spring to mind of sorting this problem out.
One is to just totally exclude a murderer from all social and economic activities. Pretty easy to do with modern technology.
The other is to allocate a financial value to human life and ask the murderer to work until it's been paid off.
But both of those are 'punishment' ...
No. Punishment is actively doing something to someone.
One of these solutions is literally do nothing for someone, which isn't punishment it's just a choice.
The other is to offer the option of restitution in place of becoming a total and utter outcast. This is again, not a punishment it's just an offer.
You're playing with semantics. They are both punishment.
Who me?
No, seriously. There is a massive difference between actively doing something to someone to get them to conform (punishment) and doing nothing for them whatsoever (exercising freedom).
If I beat a child to get him or her to obey my rules it's entirely different than just refusing to deal with them until they are willing to be reciprocal.
For a start, one of those makes for happy, healthy relationships and the other doesn't work and leads to only negative consequances.
they are slung in jail to make sure the next victim isn't you.
What I meant was to exclude them from everything entirely - no supermarkets, no taxi's or buses, no shopping, no housing, certainly none of the food and shelter that prison offers, or of course they can work their debt off for however many years it's going to take. Easy to do with our technology.
The same shit that is going to be used to make us all virtual prisoners could be used to create an unparalleled level of freedom.
Best of luck to them making it through the world when everyone knows they are a killer.
The victim's family could roll up at any time and cap you, provided that one of them was willing to take the debt of killing you on.
In short, completely remove all protections and incentives from doing "bad" things.
i'vre had the pleasure of living ...or should i say surviving ...with these kinds of people.
you can afford to live in your delusional dream world ...only so long as your safe and comfortable.
1) Crazy people. Cannot be stopped in any way shape or form, only caught afterwards, these are the group prison is usually sold to everyone as a solution to when it so obviously isn't. Prison doesn't work on these and nothing else will either.
2) Calcualting people. They weigh up the pro's and cons (ho ho) of breaking the law etc. these people will absolutely be stopped by removing the profit from "bad" actions. Legalising would work for drugs, why not everything else?
I just know about people. That's all there is.
as for cold blooded killers ...who wants it to work ...we just want them locking safely out of the way.
i don't think you know as much about people as you think you do.
how old are you?
Not so. It's also the denial of something which they desire.