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No need for that.
Desperate, you have to get to grips with the fact that drugs are fun. Most of us who take them do so not because we need to, but because they can give extremely rewarding experiences.
People jump out of planes, race cars, climb extremely high cliffs and ride horses for fun - all of which are unnecessary and carry a certain amount of risk. Obviously ecstasy carries a risk, but in reality it's portrayed by the media and the governemtn to be far riskier than it actually is.
Of course without actually experiencing the feelings ecstasy can give you, you're always going to find it hard to understand.
People that take drugs arn't stupid they just have a different view on life, it;s each to their own. If you can't except that, then that's pretty sad.
It's not shit, it's a fact, anyway, I see your point Skive. Thanks for making your opinion constructive.
It's a fact that someone shouldn't do something because it carries risks?
Life is full of them.
http://ecstasy.org/info/risk.html
The main worry really isn't the risk of death, it's the possible long term effects that may come with heavy and long term use. Nobody really knows for sure what they are, and unfortunately there has very little unbiased research into the drug.
Do you drink? Smoke?
Both potentially worse for you than E if taken in excess.
If people want to take that risk...then surely you agree it's their decision, and theirs alone?
Unnecessary
How do you define necessary, driving a car to get from A to B is not totally necessary but you feel the need to...just like some people feel the need to take pills at the weekend to have a good time. I think your main mistake was totally avoiding the context of the thread, coming in like some know-it-all and saying something about how pills can kill you in one go...it makes you look like an amateur and a fool. And there's no point trying to win your futile argument with us because we know what the score is and we've got the facts to back it up. You however have got nothing but "hear say" advice...which is worthless in the field of drug debate.
I'm sure you lot can express yourself a bit better than 'you're talking shite'.
Desperate; Yes, taking MDMA carries a risk, and yes that is risk people take without a need to, it is a choice, much like other risky activities people do.
:yes:
If you people want to make your points seem more credible, quit the playground name-calling.
The comedown from peanuts is generally less harsh though.
I don't see why you should come onto a forum called "Drugs" and criticise people who take drugs, not expecting to get a bad response. You don't even have a valid argument.
EDIT: Peanuts are gross :yuck:
Case in point, your honour. Court is dismissed...
...in favour of the stoners.
I dont think she was critical, well not until everyone started swearing at her and calling her stupid.
Well I think the criticism was acceptable, the fella was asking for a bit of advice and she just said something that had no relevance to the thread at all. I mean, if she was so concerned she'd start a thread about it.
I was only answering her posts aimed at me, as the other discussions didn't really have anything to do with the topic. And niether did her comment, which is why I said what I said.
*rant over*
But she didn't really 'bitch' she just said she wouldn't take the risk of pills because you can die, which is true (although not the whole picture).
So, at that point we could have, nicely, explained the relative risks, how dangerous MDMA really is, what harm reduction can be done etc. Instead people just say she 'talking shite' and one even told her to go and die.
It would be the same as if I went to a Gay forum and said 'you can get aids from gay sex' which is technically true but hardly the full truth.
I'm not sure I would either if I was told I was 'talking shit'.
I dont want this to become a huge issue, its not really, I was just a bit surprised by peoples reactions.
Is it still the green one? I can never tell, I think Icey made this one for me and then Helen gave it to me.
Yes, its my first, I never have anything to do with them normally.
I have them all turned off, so I dont see anyones.
Your right there, she hadn't properly understoot your opening post.
But surely the best way of dealing with that is to try to make her understand through reason, not insult?
Someone told her to go away and die? Nice! :yeees:
Well put Skive. Its a message board, there is no need to take it so personally....
Yes Mr Budda it is still the green one, very mystic...
I understand. I've had experience of being slagged off on message boards before and it can be quite annoying. In future I'll be more accomodating. Promise :angel:
Ah bless your heart.