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If people are just talking about it then they should stop to think when they post and make sure that's what they are actually saying.
Perhaps by reading it in context, with the essay just above.
Having kids removed from their parents, being denied a name of their own, givern a christian "white" name instead, having to endure the passage over, the tree they had to walk round 7 times so they would forget who they were and become a slave. As well as the more recient segregation and blatent racism by those in power alll over the world.
The Scots, Irish and northern English were oppressed much longer ago and not a huge amount differently from the way poor southern english people were also oppressed. Then ironicaly those same Scots, Irish and northern English were the workers on the slave trade oversears on the plantation and their descendents founded the Klu Klux Klan.
You sound like a nice middle class white boy who's never met a black person who has totaly polliticaly correct views, but whos just been mugged by some black guys or threatened by them or some negative experience and sudenly your whole opinon changes.
The Irish forefathers founded the KKK? Funny, saying that Catholics were one of the KKK's targets.
Also, a lot blacks taken over to America were already slaves in Africa itself.
Irish Catholics also suffered similar degradations. Look into the Penal Laws and the actions of Oliver Cromwell.
Not being funny, but neither do any currently living black people. The ones who were slaves are all dead.
what i actualy think it is ...he is working in the legal proffesion.
a proffesion full of people who are so seriously opinionated as to be scary.
these well paid and self important idiots are influencing kermit whilst looking down their noses at him.
those in the legal proffesion often speak to ...and about people ...in the manner blagsta posts.
i would pressume blagsta doesn't speak to people the way he posts but ...any of you lot had drinks with the legal set?
Then there was slavery, and they were seen as a sub class. How can a sub class have its own law and order? They were thrown right back to caveman days, survival of the fittest. Many didn't survive atlantic crossings or treatment by slave owners.
Meanwhile, around the 1900s, the UK has stamped out a lot of petty crime, the police force is pretty well established, etc. - still a hotbed of crime relative to today, however.
Then the abolishment of slavery. However, consider this: european and american society had viewed 'negros' (a term used to animalise them almost, like livestock) as not even human, practically. Trying to integrate these two cultures where there is no love lost has proved incredibly difficult, with racial tensions still around today.
So finishing up my argument: the reason I think 'black' culture appears more violent, is because it is still suffering from a lack of integration into popular culture, and so hasn't adopted the norms of socialisation and law and order. If we consider a naked human, with no socialisation, what is the law to them? The law is a construct of society, not a natural thing, and even people in popular culture these days can have trouble going along with it. So another culture altogether, which has its own ideas of law and order, which has frequently met barriers to integration, well its only common sense (to me) that there is difficulty in respecting law and order.
I think its the same with some teenagers as well, its not listening to rap music, its when they arent given positive experiences to allow them to form socially into a productive and happy member of society, they become a social deviant, so to speak.
I think Ive gone on long enough though
Somali customary law is probably the most advanced on the planet.
Law isn't the same as order. Most humans are by nature orderly and don't need law.
Good post though.
A lot of people have asked whether there is such a thing as 'black culture,' and I believe there is. If you look at music again for example, early rap discusses issues specifically related to black people living in a predominantly white country. It transcends any country's boundaries (thought I'd put that in just for Klintock), and therefore almost any black person can relate to it just because they are black. If you look at Africa itself, people living there must share some of this feeling of persecution, from having their languages/land/everything else taken from them. Of all the ethnic minorities, asian, indian/pakistani, middle-eastern, Africans are the only one's who seem to still be getting shafted by "the west." There is still evidence of abuses in Africa (South Africa, for example), whereas in other parts of the world, it is perhaps not so fresh in the mind.
I don't know, I'm just pulling this crap of the top of my head, it's late.
Somali customary law. There is no legislation in it at all. Have a read, because it's quite interesting how they manage without -
The institutions of the Somali customary law are the judges and the courts of law they spontaneously form whenever there is a conflict. The Somalis have no legislature, no standing police force and army, no prisons and no standing administration.
I feel and banged my knee when i was 4 years old. It left a scar. And? So fucking what? The past does not equal the future.
You could use it for everyone. Everybody has fought through difficulties. It's called life.
Some may have been worse than others, but guess what, they are over now so it's time to get to work and move on.
And these rapists all have an encyclopaedic knowledge of rap music do they? Don't talk daft, man.
Whatever. My point is that there is an assumption that you have a shared set of ideas and experiences just because of where you live and/or some physical/religious/cultural events. Ridiculous. Most people are woefully ignorant of history and couldn't give a shit as long as they are well fed and warm.
Your reply seemed to suggest that I'm somehow attempting to justify these things as valid reasons for robbing/murdering/raping etc. I'm just trying to discover what the motivation for this crime is that is unique to black people.
So check. Hi, mr. murderer I just want to check your record collection and bookshelf to see if you have...oh no you listen to Kenny G and read gay pron, nm....
Most humans instinctively copy others. It's the basic way we learn.
Can be. Doesn't have to be. Try looking up meme theory on Google for a detailed analysis of how ideas come and go. In order for an idea to be held right now, it has to have some use, right now. We don't talk about the voluminous ether these days, it's a dead idea. So, if the idea of persecution or whatnot is held currently by someone then it must have some use to them at the present time.
The question I would ask is what other links between people aren't we looking at? Perhaps all rapists are 5 foot 4 or eat three shredded wheat. By accepting fixed views we always miss out on other stuff that's happening. Perhaps they all have a V(e) A(i) V(i) -> action strategy, no one would know though, because no one is looking for it.
Aye, but there is still harsh feeling between the irish, english, scots to extent that paramilitaries are still active.
Plus, the race industry is everywhere - American blacks are reminded of slavery continually, racism is a huge issue, so it's reasonable to believe that it's rooted deeply in the psyche of many blacks...whose lives are still shaped by the legacy of slavery.
It's called using a bit of poetic licence.
Something is causing people to go out and rob people, and knife them in the head afterwards. Something is causing people to go out and shoot anyone they don't like. Gangland gun crime in many cities is out of control, especially in London and Nottingham. Something is causing it.
I've been very careful to not say that race causes crime, because it doesn't.
But something is causing certain communities to have a far larger problem with lawlessness, and senseless murder. A culture that celebrates death- kill to be in our gang- is, in my opinion, something that drives it along.
Environment influences people. But I don't think that in this case it is poverty that is the environmental factor.
I think you've got this the wrong way around.
Something is not stopping these people.
Anyone can go and kill someone else. It's easy, mechanically speaking. But they don't. So, what's in the heads of the people who don't kill others that's missing from those who do?
When it happens a hundred times, we can try to make something of it.
If you ever get tired of your job Kermit, you could do worse than seek employment writing headlines for the Mail and the Express.
very misgiuded thinking ...
I mean we had guns and tactics and other advantages...were we a superior "breed" OR was it that the white men merely had superior technology?
Was it evolution that has left Africa as a continent a controlled, enslaved, manipulated warzone OR has it been one of technological break throughs???
Now thats a debate!
Worldwide European power in the last three centuries or so has been based primarily on their technical achievements as well as the kind of societal systems and economies that has allowed these to flourish.
Japan for example is the only non-western country to rival Europeans in terms of power and the reasn for this is that they were the first non-European power to undergo an industrial revolution that afforded them the industrial and technological capability to rival the Europeans.....
Not at all. What I meant, due to circumstances, 'civilization' as a seperate entity from homo sapeins has developed at a different rate. The first civilization I beleive was in ethiopia, was it babylon? I cant remember now to be honest.
Then there was eygpt, the great civilization. Rome. Britain. America. All pioneering in how 'big' they can be, I would say american civilization conquers the globe pretty much socially. With each successive generation, things like science, medicine, law and order, agriculture have all improved. However in places where they arent the leading civilization, relatively speaking, crime and punishment could be argued to be worse.
Im being all hypothetical anyway, because for all we know, there's more violent crimes in the UK and America than there are in Africa. I just dont know the figures.
Then there was the great Aryan migration away from North Africa towards Scandinavia.
Ah society, immigration, social development, such a vibrant debate!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesopotamia
This was susposed to be the birthplace of civilisation the first writern record keeping the first writen laws, the originator of the phrase that became to be known as "an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth"
Modern crops mostly have their closest wild ancestors in that region, perhaps proof this was the first agriculture.
Perhaps this fact compared to the modern Iraq gives an insite into the power of culture, verses "race" or genetics
How so? I find all this fascinating, History is my hobby you see, but i am not quite sure what you are saying.
Well Im saying that now Iraq has a much more represive culture, with as we all know murders bombings taking etc taking place.
But those same people thousands of years ago did perhaps the cleverest thing any groupe of people have ever done and formed a civilisation.
So the same people with different cultures can produce very different results in tearms of their society and technological advancment.