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musluims unhappy over veil ban at imperial college
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4620034.stm
haha i'm gonna set up a religion that says all members have to walk around naked, and anyone who disagrees you can piss on
i don't personally believe in extorting a profit from goods yet i still pay more than the manufacturing costs for what i buy, simply because the rest of society is prepared to
they are allowed headscarves, just not allowed to cover their faces up entirely
pointless whingers should shut up
haha i'm gonna set up a religion that says all members have to walk around naked, and anyone who disagrees you can piss on
i don't personally believe in extorting a profit from goods yet i still pay more than the manufacturing costs for what i buy, simply because the rest of society is prepared to
they are allowed headscarves, just not allowed to cover their faces up entirely
pointless whingers should shut up
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Absolutely none that i can think of.
This will only cultivate further Islamic hatred of our society...do they not realise this?
erm many universities have depts which are big and flowing but also have some dangerous equipment, my university used to have a 'hot room' full of radioactive material (had to shut down the university for a week to remove the material and seal it off), my depts labs have bench strength chemicals, which can happily dissolve flesh if misused etc
i can wander in and out because they know im a student there now, new students have to present their ID cards to enter the building at begining of term, and if you want entry to building after 6(with a good reason) also
also the university doesnt want non-students using their resources for free
why should a religion be exempt from a fair rule that just stops people using facilities without showing their face - they can wear whatever the hell they like, just show their face - that is the most important point
if anyone feels alienated by this, it's their problem, not the universities
No religious attire at school.
not quite, this isn't school - it has 'adults' there, however you can wear what you want, they just want to be sure, you are the person you say you are?
in an exam for example, the person covers their face so you cant match to their uni ID card, would it be right to kick them out because it could be someone else taking the exam for them? of course it would - it's just an extention of that
People with veils would still be identified by security guards if they're accessing dangerous chemicals surely?
theres security at the entrance of the building, and to my knowledge i have yet to see a muslim cover up their entire face...
i'm not a muslim, however if i had the personal belief that i should cover and idsguise everything that makes me stand out as an individual, should i be exempt from that rule?
my main point is that, no religion should be exempt from showing their face as a face says a lot about a person..... religious attire is fine, just make sure people know who you are
wearing the full veil over the face is more of a cultural islmaic tradition than a demand of the religion, unless you happen to belong in a few slightly more extreme sects of the religions
how would you know who they are? without a facial comparsion?
in my exams people come around and check everyones uni cards to their face or a driver license if you lost your id card recently
this really isn't the point anyway... it's a perfectly fair rule to have to show your face in their private premises
A bit like the checkpoints they have at Muslim airports where the traveller goes into a cabin/private room with a female security guard.
If anyone objects to that then they're being very unreasonable IMO and the college or institution in question shouldn't have to put up with it.
waste of time imo
private premises, simple non intrusive request, it doesnt even break the religions 'rules' as full body coverage isn't actually required to the best of my knowledge
seriously id turn down an applicant if they were that fussy, becuase that is it, the person is just being fussy, and religion isnt a excuse for that level of fussiness - if these rule gets changed i want someone to adopt a belief in allowing noone to see them and see how the institution deals with it
if someone wants to wear it, then so what? if there's a female person that can see the face and identify who it is, then it isn't really a problem.
why should extra provision be made for everyone who has a slightly different belief?
and it's a rule across 'campus' so people always have their faces showing - would you cater for someone whose 'beliefs' meant they couldn't show their face to anyone? i for one wouldn't - if it isn't a must, then you can remove the face covering part whilst at university
and piccolo, a religious belief is one of believing in a higher being, thus not believing in a god isnt a defined religion - the problems at UCL are due to the relilgious societies poltisicing their beliefs, and lying about eachother.... especially in regard to the jewish and islam societies last year. Like any body they act as if they talk for all members when they obviously don't.
i feel like setting my own religion up to get my own personal exceptions to things in life, it's a load of fucking bollocks
me?
just not allow access to the resources..... simple really
i'm happy for alterations to some rules which arent tedious like for school uniforms allowing someone to wear a headscarves or something, however you cant always get your own way completly
But outside security issues, i do not really care much what they wear, though i am sure i will think of a reason why i am wrong later then contradict myself.
This would seem like a simple way to accomodate that persons belief wouldn't it?
This is certainly illegal in the UK so their is precedent for the illegality of certain beleifs........
I will start a religion that allows me to pass summary life sentences to all those who wish to circumvent the law via religious dispensation if that becomes the case, problem solved.
And interestingly enough a "think tank" not so long ago came out saying that men with more than one wife should have inheritance rights for them all.
Good for the college. Just like that girl whingeing about the jilbab should have been invited to find schooling somewhere else, so should any students who have any trouble with this.
Religious attire has no place in any public or educational place.
Who the hell told you that?
I don't agree with this. If the attire isn't a problem itself, there's no reason it should be banned. A veil over the face is a problem for identification issues, and that why I think it should be banned wherever people have to be identifiable.
Following with the "made up religions" trend: Imagine there was a religion that says (among other things) that people should always wear red shoes and never wash their hands, and a person of that religion wanted to work in the food industry. Of course the colour of their shoes isn't a problem, so why ban it? On the contrary, everyone who works with food should have clean hands, so the other part of their beliefs would have to be broken.
Either they'd accept that for that job their way of life is not acceptable and wash their hands, or they should find something else to do.
its hardly asking much so i don't see why they should be granted special treatment, if its all in the name of security then they should have some respect that its for their own good
I read that the banks had considered this, but decided there was too much money to be lost. Think it was on the bbc website but can't find the link.
I think that in places of high security, where identification is critical, then you can't just flout the rules because of your religion. They should be politely asked to seek another place of study.
Anywhere else, people can do what they like.