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after reading around im a bit interested (peruvian torch seems like the better idea)
anyone got any first hand expierence ?
couldnt be arsed with going to the bother of growing mushrooms for the time being anyway
It was interesting to say the least
Its legal, I think thats about the only thing to recommend it, the possible health concerns are totally unknown and could be nasty. No one knows how safe it is to mix with alcohol or anything really.
Piperine and Piperazine blend are listed as ingredients?
Someone gave a couple for free as i was dubious over his recommendation.
I could take them and report back but i just can't bring myself to take something legal as i'm concerned it'll just fuck up my night with a shitty buzz.
Piperazine is a controlled substance in the US, and possibly Australia, and from memory they were looking into restricting its use in the UK too.
Once you achieve your first "breakthrough", tolerance subsides also.
That said, i think it's about as shit as they come. A few minutes of disconnection and inability to grasp what's going on and that's about all i've experienced (except feeling weird afterwards).
I was out of it for what seemed like days. though in reality prob under 15 minuntes. for me, it was very enlightening. i dont mean to sound bullshity, haha if thats a word, but it made me think about things differently, and things i wouldntve even thought about. I wouldn't recomend it for raves or whatever. But for sitting and thinking, it was insane.
I've taken more than enough of the stuff twice. Total headfuck and inability to think properly was all i experienced...i'd say it lasted no more than a few minutes, followed a period of feeling physically unpleasant.
Too overpowering and weird to engage me like other drugs.
To gain the full hallucinogenic expereince many people think you should do it in the dark and total quiet.
I know people who have had full out of body trips with it, but to me the physical rush was scary and the whole experience nightmarish.
i usually end up spinning in circles and laughing
it seems to affect different people in different ways, but i never found the effects all that desireable
Wierd but not only something for special occasions, i don't really see the attraction to it.
Well, sort of, but it was used before then, that was just the time it came together with music, lights etc. in the club enviroment.
That's pretty misleading.
A lot of gays are into drugs because, feeling marginalised by society, they are keen on alternative culture.
Doesn't mean they have pioneered the nation's drug habits though.
pep pills are a synthetic man made drug,no caffine,they contain bzp,tfmpp,vitamins,5htp.the first parts release seretonin,the last feed the boby and enable the brain to manufacture more seretonin.not totally healthy as sleep is also needed to repaire ourselves,but they have been designed for the purpose of drug harm minimulisation.ie you take a regulated pill that works on a weekend and get of illegal potentially non known street drugs.without the possible depression or mid week blues.they also break the cycle or extacy dependance.
Apparently.
No they haven't. They're to make money.
you might be right blaga,but i do think that these pep pills are well put together
and are a knew bread of recreational drugs,that can only chalenge our outdated drug laws.what does any one think?
I find that explanation somewhat suspect, 5HTP doesn't either help release more seritonin or help the body manufactor more.
And as Blagsta said, they are not designed with harm minimisation in mind, they are a profit making venture. Frankly I think they could be more dangerous than MDMA, at least with MDMA we roughly know how its working, what harm it does and how to prevent most of it. With these the long term risks are totally unknown, how they mix with other drugs is totally unknown, I know I wouldnt take them.
took PEP love pills last night at a good dance club. For the first three house i felt really really slow and kindof spaced out and a little paranoid. After the slow period it made me really chatty! I wanted to talk to loads of people but i was abit scared to, i just spoke alot of shit to my friends... Later i got bored and decided to get pissed and these pills really speeded things up. 4 pints later and i was wankered! Found that i had a birst of energy where i wanted to dance for half an hour then about 20 minutes where i was bored and out of energy. Got back to the flat and talked shit about half an hour and then went to bed. got a really good nights sleep but today i'm feeling really drained and not wanting to do anything that involves moving!
still i had a proper good night... cant remeber alot of it but i was quite drunk. dry mouth is seriously bad. i drank at least 10-12 pints of water and my tongue is still hurting now. Definately bit it abit round the edges.
MDMA is alot better:
visual things are prettier :shocking:
better connection with friends and random people
dancing feels alot nicer :yippe:
can stay up all night :razz:
touch feels alot nicer :chin:
tolerance for fucked people is alot better :eek:
music sounds alot better :thumb:
happy effect is alot better
head fuck (ie thinking you're waiting for a bus in the club) is better :crazyeyes
basically pep's simply arent as good.... the hangover wasnt as bad as a comdown from E but it was different, more mongey and tired than E's emptyness and irritability. I'll have to try them sober some time but they seem quite mild. My friend took them after tea and didnt feel anything at all (apart from talking to loads of people for ages about shit) but i didnt have anything to eat... and i felt more.
let me know what u thought of em. Is there anything apart from proplus that can keep my non-dropping friends up as long as me?