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You make a good point Tal.. It’s a subject that provokes very strong feelings but I don’t think that’s any excuse. And I realise I’m guilty with others although as I think you’ll understand it’s frustrating being so outnumbered on this particular forum and having something that means something to you being constantly condemned - and unfairly so!
Didn't claim to be "well educated" on the topic - but there's an evident preference to slating his style rather than engaging his points.
Without a full and historically honest contextualisation of the matter, there can be no viable discourse since the frame of reference itself cannot be agreed upon.
Given the fact that this subject invariably descends to the same sort of quips as yours above, NQA, from the same usual suspects after three years of repeat threads only shows that the armchair pundits remain as lacking in both style and substance today as they have been since I first began posting here.
How telling that you are unable to refute anything I post and yet presume that it is I who is unlearned. Typical drivel from those who prefer to hide behind the mainstream sanitised and decontextualised view of the ME conflict rather than to invest some time and intellectual effort in understanding the actual historically consistent dynamic driving it.
Come back when you can offer more than a feeble attempt to justify your own lack of research.
You can never satisfy everyone completely, but tell me, how much of Gaza has been given to the Palestinian people? Did the authorities share it out equally, or did they build themselves palaces while leaving the regular Palestinian to live in squalor? Have they spent the money on building up businesses and creating jobs or on making missiles to attack Israel?
And he who is free of sin cast the first stone. Before you accuse Israel of "occupation", don't forget that your own country (i.e. the UK and the USA too) are currently occupying Iraq, and cannot even claim to be doing so to protect their own borders. In fact Iraq has never attacked either the UK or the USA. (Al Qaeda is not Iraq).
Also, i have refuted all your propaganda bullshit many times, but since you never counter my arguments with anything knew you stand on your hightened podium of rhetoric, spouting the never ending rants of one sided propaganda with nothing to support your wild claims, i find myself with no need to argue. I mean you can not win arguments with men who spout meaningless rhetoric, after all, thats all Hitler did!
When you stop going on about how REAL history is just mainstream lies and "your" highly selective history is the only truth when it is just meaningless propaganda, then i will be happy to have a debate!
You do flatter yourself well though.
You dismiss reall history out of hand as been "Tabloid Hack" yet your choice of "evidence" is merely propagnada! I read every website you listed, checked several books you refered to and found nothing factual and not one ounce of evidence to support your wild and amusing claims. So i stopped reading them as they were nothing more then pro-palestinian and in some cases pro-PLO drivel.
Last time out i said clearly what the real history of the case is and you never once refuted any of it, you just stood on your podium of Rhetoric and recited to me with no coherance to thread. Now your doing it again, which is why i couldnt be bothered posting until others began to show weariness of you.
I proved my point before already, i see no need to do it again on this thread.
Just another denial artist clutching at irrelevant arguments, assumption and personal attacks whenever you are presented with referenced material proof of the calculated militant agenda of Zionists from well before the founding of the state itself. Reading a few web based synopses of the authors and works to which you were previously referred (and obviously did not obtain and read in full) and picking out a few lines that challenge the sanitised mainstream revisionism - actively pursued by generations of Zionist ideologues to bury the record of their ideology's everpresent aims in the region - does not validate your conclusions. Read the ull works and youll find more than enough referential data to keep you busy a good long time.
You dont seek truth, however, you seek the comfort of anonymous derision for anything that challenges the comfortable status quo double standard which deniars and apologists bring to the discourse to derail it and shut it down.
Your posts both here and in the Sharon Resigns thread are, as mentioned previously, without any substantiation of any worthy note, nor scholarly refutation with supporting evidence. Requested of me by your ilk, I repeatedly provide verifiable research and sources, not so with you little man.
So rant away as usual and enjoy, if any others care to continue the actual topic at hand let us do so.
Of course, ignore all the invasions by Christians and Muslims that preceded it, resulting in those countries have large territories of their own, whilst the Jews didn't have a single homeland having been displaced from theirs back in Roman times.
But while you are not willing to go back 300 years and give America back to the Native Americans and Australia back to the Aboriginals, you would like to give Israel back to the "Palestinians".
By the way, in 1967, Israel did not go and occupy any land that belonged to Palestinians, only land belonging to Jordan and Egypt. Since then they have made peace treaties with both those countries, and neither of them has asked for their land back. They returned Sinai to Egypt but Egypt didn't want Gaza.
Really clandy, now is the time to stop claiming to be wanting a real debate and oppose rants, when no one on here except for you rants about anything. You rant on and on to a point where no one cares or even posts anymore and most people have to ignore you and talk around your long winded and tedious posts. The rest of us actual do discuss and debate, maybe its time you joined us.
As for words, no Thesauraus needed on this side. Having difficulty grasping even so much as the English language now as well?
But yes, do us the favor of toddling off to obtain some actual substantive knowledge. You've already admitted in the Sharon Resigns thread you had no depth of understanding on the matter and from what you've shown here, that remains just as true to the present day. No debate is possible when you have contributed nothing of topical or factual note in defense of a position.
Next discussant please, and on topic if possible.
Anti-Zionist/Israeli Govt Rant = well thought out prose, informed and getting straight to the issue at hand. Post can be as long as you want. This person is not an apologist for terrorism.
Anti-Hamas (insert other Paelstinian group if necessay) Post = ignorant of facts, clearly no understanding of historical context. Should be short because content is irrelevant. This person is an apologist for state terrorism.
50/50 blame Post = see previous.
Reality Slippy? Not a subject you have ever demonstrated much familiarity with I'm afraid. I have little doubt there would be a consensus of posters backing me up on that score.
Baseless? To any impartial observer MoK is spot on...
Simplistic, yes. Baseless, no. If it was baseless you would lose the humour...
Indeed, Slippy seems to live in a completely different dimension to the rest of us I'm afraid. I am relieved to live in this one.
So long as we are vigilant and show just how far removed he is, therefore protecting people from his ignorance...
For Sharon, the coma is chemically induced by sedatives. If they stop intravenously administering them then nature will allow him to wake.
If you mean either Clandestine or Slippy then I am afraid that I cannot help you.
I stopped posting on the Sharon resigns thread as it was clear how been so very entrenched in drivel and falsehoods, you were never going to say anything at all of any value to read. You went on and on saying meaningless spoutings as you had to keep having the last word, so i got bored and stopped posting. History has shown us you can not fight rhetoric spouted by fanatics no matter who you are, so i saw no need to try in your case. Your attitude proved me right, so i decided i had no need to go on. This thread only adds to my accurate assessment of you with your need to make sure you have the last word at every moment.
I think you are using a thesaurus to make yourself sound more intelligent then you are and unlike you, i do not need to use one as my grasp of the English language is quite good. For instance, I, unlike you, would never write the word "winging" when I actually meant to use the word "whinging" you see.
Oh Clandy, when you do manage to join the rest of us in reality and start seeing the world as it is and stop seeing the world how you want to, then maybe actual debates can occur. Until then we are stuck with you spouting rhetoric and then follow it up with extremely childish insults. Really, it is beyond a joke now, start acting your age and stop acting like an obsessive child.
Just because everyone else disagrees with you, does not mean that every one else is wrong and biased, it measn that most likely you are.
Best take your reality check there my unlearned nemesis. As ever your inflated presumptions are the getting the better of you. Actually it suits you well to join in the handful of detractors who think attacking me personally proves whatever point they arent actually making.
Ciao :wave:
*Doesn't hold breath waiting for it.