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if the best you can offer against either legal or illegal is that humans will grow bored with such things to an extent that they will just fade away ... :eek:
so what DO we DO in the meanwhile?
Also, im not saying all substances should fade away, i mean, shrooms for example, a pretty safe drug if people know what they are doing. I suppose the legalisation would lead to better purity aswell, pills for example, theres all sorts of weird ones floating about.
nothing personal to you but ...everyone just keeps repeating themselves as opposed to actualy challenging the legalisers with another idea regarding the drugs problem ...and it is a problem.
we cut terrorist funding by what ...90%?
we cut organied crimes tax free cash flow by ...90%?
we have drugs of british pharmacutical standard available as opposed to unknown quality and standard?
we have control as opposed to no control?
what could possibly go wrong?
don't give me the shit about organised crime doing something else instead ...they already are doing.
in this day and age of digital money and super security ...i don't see bank robbery come back into fashion.
it's one less earner ...the main earner ...being mostly taken away.
in a fucking big way!
thers illegal booze and fags and everything else ...but most money is in the hands of the licenced.
and...the people who make the millions ...already have done and put that money into legitamate bizz.
the people who suffer the most are those who turn over a hundred grand a week and alway the way down to the ten pound wrap boys ...they will be more or less swept away overnight.
so ...what is this scary thing that might happen in this supposedly delicate situation?
You know what soapbar is?
Yes, shock horror, news flash cocaine can be dangerous.
It is how you respond which is the issue, given cocaine's use has continued to rise even when it is Class A.
How would you stop use?
It's already is like that, that's the point.
But since plenty on here had a go at me when I said drugs were dangerous, I thought it was worth mentioning they are and can casue a lot of problems, though this seems to have been ignored.
Have you been reading anyone elses posts at all? Nobody here had said drugs are without their risks have they?
We are well aware of the dangers but we're also see that the law as it stands, increasese that risk.
OK, well lets stop messing about with negatives shall we, you have said time and again that you dont think legal supply would help, what would?
We have spelt out detailed plans yet nothing has been suggested in reply except more of the same, something which clearly isnt working now.
More education, less of people going "drugs aren't that bad, you can't get addicted that easily" etc
More law enforcement, more crackdowns, more political deals to get the source of the problem.
More lies then?
Vague, to say the least.
What sort of law enforcement and political deals?
But the addiction and use figures only get worse, how long should we wait?
No one is saying that, you have grossly simplified the arguments, again.
What is the source of the problem? And how many people in jail is worth 'solving' the drug problem?
Errr...over decades you mean. Do you think prohibition is something new?
So drugs education should be based on misformation then?
Which means what, exactly?
And what is the "source of the problem"?
yes they are, look back over thge 40 od pages of the thread and you will see statements like "you don't get addicted to drugs that easy", "druigs can be safe", "drugs don't give you long term health effects" "drusg are good for social cohesion etc etc"
I mean there are addicts yes and crime but what qualifyes as working not not??
The source of the problem is the drugs themselves, and the willingess to take them. All the bad stuff that surrounds them stems from the drugs, its all for the drugs. So you need to attack the drugs and stop people from taking them.
Well the ones in jail are in jail coz od the crimes they commit rather then just taking the drug.
Education and crackdown is the way I think.
So its not a persons fault they are addicted, the problem is with the drug. Then surley they should be given pity and help rather than criminal sanctions?
What do you think it means? more crackdowns, more political involvement and willing to take down the drugs at the sources they come from as well as cracking down on drugs that arrive on the streets.
You keep saying 'crack down' but what do you mean? More time in jail for offenders?
Which country has reduced drug offences by giving out high jail times?
Why is it acceptable to get drunk, but not stonned?
What's true? That's drugs can be dangerous? No-one's denied that however much you want to claim the contrary. If you suggest actually putting across the truth, then i suppose you'd have no problem with education dispelling urban myths such as one hit = addiction and pointing out that drug problems are only encountered by a small minority of users?
Just sparked up a joint as i'm typing this...please tell me exactly what's unacceptable about that?
I don't know what it means, that's why i'm asking. Arresting dealers? Trying to stop the import of drugs? Isn't that happening as we speak?
:rolleyes:
Who's been saying that?
Look - come back to us when you know what you're on about eh?
a lifeless bag of powder was mown down by gun cops yesterday ...that'll teach them pesky drugs.
at source?
most of the countries that grow cannabis and opium have done for thousands of years with no problems ...are you suggesting that because we have problems we attack these people?
the taliban virtualy erdicated opium/heroin.
america eradicated the taliban.
then america funded the warlords/taliban with millions of dollars in cash and gold and weapons ...withthe promise of even more so long as they do what america wants.
so ...the biggest supply of opium/heroin ever recorded is now available ...thanx to the yanks ...so tell me again ...who do we attack?
There is a bias opinion here and people wanting to take the easy way out without thinking of the consequences.
fine, do whatever coz I really don't care, ban them all , legalise it all, fuck it all I really don't care anymore.
of course theres a bias!
based on knowledge and experience and evidence but you tend to ignore such things.
it is very difficult to care about something you know very little or nothing about.
You're one dishonest prick aren't you?