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Wrong way around, The way people think and act becomes the "society".
It's as natural to most men as breathing, so why is this a problem? You can't be saying that men are fundamentally incorrect in what they are, surely to god?
It's hardwired, and only evolution is going to shift it. I guess we'll have to come back in 100,000 years then. To say that it's wrong is a problem in itself, handled badly.
All that you are doing by claiming something is wrong that can't be stopped is repression. Repression, as anyone who has had the good fortune to sleep with an ex-catholic schoolgirl will tell you, just makes the resulting inevitable reaction much, much larger than it would have otherwise been.
How do they get that influence again?
And you are still thinking that society is a seperate entity, a concrete thing. Some men will love obese women, dressing up as babies blah blah blah. The fact that stuff is mainstream and apparent isn't a reflection of what's actually going on.
You look at "three fat women and a fig leaf" or whatever and think it;'s a reflection of the "culture" of the time. Obviously bollocks.
I grow tired of your idiotic insistence that society exists as a concrete thing.
What people are overlooking here is a) man's inherent nature as described by Klintock and b) the sexual revolution.
The result of the liberalisation of sexual attitudes and promiscuity as a social norm is always going to be a certain sense of "objectification" as young men will seek out the most attractive women for casual sex - and that's the main motivation, sex. Nothing else. If sexual gratification with no emotional attachments required is on your to-do list, then evidently you're going to objectify the opposite sex. Big deal
hear hear!
You're kidding, right?
What, like men aren't naturally horny or something?
don't be a twat
Why? Men get horny, so do women. You seem to think everything has to be based on social contexts when it isn't like that. Humans are naturally horny, what's so twatish about that?
for fucks sake don't be so dense
Nope I'm really not getting you this time blag. Please tell me why I'm being so dense?
because you're (again!) completely getting the wrong end of the stick. I'm not taking issue with men and women being horny (!), what I am taking issue with is spliffie's and specifically klintocks evolutionary determinism. Its simplistic bollocks.
Fuck the stick then, never liked it in the first place.
Can you prove it's not "evolutionary determinism"?
It is simple though, Blagsta.
A libido (for both men and women) designed for living in small communities over millenia has been shunted into massive urban environments.
A basic drive to sleep with as many women as possible has been displaced from secure communities with secure social structures into massive sprawling cities with millions of people in them and barely any structure at all.
A basic drive to get the highest status male that can be found has been dropped into the same environment.
I made a valid point and then one comment I made in one post is ddrwan out an dpeople tear me to shreds over it, misinterprating what I say after and then goad me into responding with an angry tone.
The simple fact is lipsy, scarlet and any one else that reads this is that you are all on person each. You can speak for yourselves and people you may talk to and thats it. Fact. You cannot say "Women don't..." when you don't know every single woman in the world.
Lipsy. You have a go at me but that last post showed extremely how naive you are. Women do like porn. Not all women notice, not you or mates maybe but women do. My ex liked porn, another girl I talk to for awhile likes porn, a girl I am regulalry in contatc with who I sometimes have fun with, likes porn. On another website where they discuss issues like on this site, there were girls ont here saying how much they liked porn. I know someone who works in a sex shop that sells porn, and they have told me women buy porn, when I have visted them to chat, I have seen women in the shop on every occassion, looking at porn and even buying porn. Also reading interviews and artciles about porns stars, they say they have female fans as well as male fans, I have seen prgroammes on their awards and expo shows and they talk to women there that have gone to see the stars. Just because you don't like porn doesn't mean women don't.
Sexual turn ons are all subjective. For example, many men are attracted Jennifer Lopez, but I and guys I know, are not attracted to her in the slightest. Some people get sexual kicks from having saline injected into their genitals so they swell up. I don' and I imagine many don't but some do.
To try and claim you have the answers for all sexuality is wrong. You can speak for yourself and thats it and while yes studies have shown differences between men in women, in fact, I even mentioned one of them, it doesn't mean that men and women are 2 different species. Men and women can like the same thing.
i like a bit of it myself actually.
anyway wasn't it YOU who didn't want to bring porn into this debate?
you 2 and others then proceded to say all girl never ever do this coz your all so different and complex.
I wasnt saying ehat turns YOU on. I wasn't saying that ALL girls do that. I just said that girls do that. Some do. I have talked to them, read letters in advice columns from girls saying that.
I am not ignorant for gods sake. You are ignroant for saying girls don't. You don't some do, why can't you accept that? I have talked to girls that have done. I have even read about women that have done that over pictures.
I read everything you said, everything. Look back, I was responding to all the points she made and once again one small thing I mention was drawn out for no reason.
You make guys sound like lesser beings because they see a picture and may wank over it. Well not all guys do and some do and even if they do it doesn't make them less intelligent or anything like that.
maybe you dont but some do, thats all I said. Are you sure that "you" was in there? Coz it probably meant to say "do girls not finger...."
I never ever said I know more about female sexuality then you do.
Although you seem to be suggesting you know more about guy sexuality then me by saying guys wank over pictures for sure.
Its a bit of a double standard don't you think?
Eh?
Women get turned on by any kind of sexual imagery, it just eludes conscious awareness unless other stuff (emotion, connection etc) is there as well. So while the arousal is there, they just wouldn't do anything about it.
http://www.apa.org/monitor/apr03/differences.html
They will even get aroused watching animals shag -
http://www.narth.com/docs/apelike.html
walkindude will you read this link
and then question why you are even supporting these mags
I am telling you, I have talked to girls hwo said they fingered while looking a picture of a bloke in a magazine.
I meant any pics, including those in teen mags and womens mags. The equivlant to the lads mag.
Ahh fair enough. Given that women are aroused by pictures of animals shagging, what's the likelihood of them finding pictures of humans arousing?
So I did. The study would seem to suggest that if these mags really were a kind of porn, then women would be aroused by them.
I'll just use body hair as an example, I think.
30 years ago body hair was not seen as ugly- in fact, erotic films had to have shaved women because it was deemed "less erotic". Now, on the other hand, body hair in the UK and US is seen as undesirable, and women who have body hair are derided.
That is solely because of media imaging, and the media sculpting society, not the other way around.