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Just because YOU don't masturbate opver pictures of men scarlett doesn't mean no girls ever do. Same for you kermit. I never said westlife, it could be any guy thye like. I have known and had convos with various teen girls over the years, they told me they di and if you even read the odd teen mag or womens mag, you wil see letters by girls who even mention masturbating over pictures of men. Ok???? Fucks sake, I didn't make any woeful points at all. Why is so damn hard for you taccept that women finger themselves, and sometimeswhen they see a picture?? Its not that hard to concieve.
scarltte -Porn is a sperate issue entirely to his. That is why it has no place here. I am not changing things to suit me. Porn is anothe rdebate, seperate from this on ok? If you want to debate ponr, make a thread about it.
Also if you read the interviews that accompany these women, they dod not come across as easy to discard vitims of a man ran media. They can often come across as strong, independant minded women.
While touching women up in clubs is wrong. I don't see how the lads mags contribute to this. Well if they have readers writing in I can see it and if they say they do it then yes. What about the women who go out and grope men? I have read quite a few womens articles that describe this practice so lets not lay it all at men's doors.
No doubt the media does ahve an impact, but with more then this, news for example.
I question is debateble, but I don't see it as bad as you do, unless you are suggesting and know they present these images deliberately for the purpose you are describing.
once again I do also say, personal responsibilyt comes into it as well.
once again blagsat can do nothing but insult someone.
also, you've already acknowledged earlier on that women are less visual so why then go on to say that they masturbate over pictures?
One thing I find vey offensiev is the existance of these groups who seek to train women to grab millionaries. There is not romance, no love,. They basically say that a man is only goof ro money and thats it. I find that offensive. I also find offensive in womens articles where men are rated on the size of their manhood or their body. I find that degrading yet I never hear a woman complain about it.
The magazines are not soft core porn I would say. They are more entertainment features, since they feature a number of things besides scantily clad women, even if the scantily clad women are the draw. However if you think they are soft core porn then thats your opinion of which you are entitled to. I just think Porn istelfa nd I mean hardcore porn is a different issue.
it may be unlikley to you but it is true, trust me on that. Though I do sense a kid of superiority idea going on, that women are complex and wouldnt juts have usch a crude sexual aurge and men are just wanking over pictures all the time. Women are just as sexual as men jand have those same urges. Even though I'm sure if you presneted a picture to a women and said "finger over that", she wouldn't be too impressed.
You'll be teaching granny to suck eggs next.
I love the way you're arguing with girls about what girls do. It is really funny to watch.
Of course women masturbate, you utter cretin.
What I'm having trouble accepting is an argument from a young boy when all the women on here, and all the women I know, say the exact opposite.
No its not.
A recent study showed that FHM is more explicit than Playboy. Source.
As for the rest of your post, it honestly isn't worthy of response.
You are hopelessly ignorant, hopelessly naive, and don't understand even the most basic of arguments about social dynamics. We're talking Sesame Street standard of arguments here, and you don't get it.
Klintock, men will fancy attractive women. It's not something new. It's not even something new that some men treat women as accessories- they were in many societies, and still are in some. But all that raises the issue of social conditioning- people will think and believe in the prevalent social attitudes of a time.
I don't try to claim that lads' mags started it, because they didn't. But they continue to hardwire something that we should have moved out of when we stopped saying "ugg!", and the continuing social conditioning cannot be described as desirable. By continuing to condition women as accessories, nothing will ever change.
I don't even believe that FHM do it deliberately as some huge conspiracy, but the effects of their actions should not be denigrated or denied.
I don't know how the women on this thread feel, but it'd be pretty insulting if you completely sidelined the views of black people when talking about racism. Why should it be any different when talking about sexism? I can only conclude that you don't actually know any women - or at least you never talk to women about this stuff.
not sexual at all is it?
Kernit you are th eonly cretina nd arse licker here. Wow, 2 girls said they don't masturbate over pics of guys. I never said they did. I just said some girls do. And untill 3 billion come on this baord and say they don't, the only one who is wrong is you.
Playboy isn't porn though. Read what I write again. I am talking about real porn. Hardcore porn. Not some galmour shots. If you count FHM has porn then that means the Sun and the Daily STar are porn! I don't thinbk you belive that.
the rest of my response was accurate and reasoned unlike your latest effort.
Jesus, your turning into Blagsta with your replies.
I'd take anything klintock says with a massive pinch of salt - he appears to be something of a Walter Mitty character.
thats quite an ego.
Blagsta- yet again insults andnothing more. I haven't sidelined anything, you are completely retarded and alir. You disgust me if you belive the crap you write.
Ahem...
I rest my case.
While many owmen see strippers for a lugh, there are plnety that get a sexual kick.
once again 1 person trying to talk for 3 billion people.
:rolleyes:
name one person I always agree with. Go on, it's a challenge.
I can't even begin to fathom out this logic. What the chuff are you on about?
You are, what, 19? A young boy. You don't have a clue about relationships or about women. You're continuing to show it now by not just ignoring the words of women, but actually telling them that they're wrong.
You haven't a clue, but I will admit it's great entertainment to watch you keep digging this hole.
Er, yes it is. Marketed as porn, sold as porn.
Have you ever touched a woman? Yes or no?
Have you ever talked to a woman? Yes or no?
And therein lies the problem.
It is actually restricted to over-18s, and is sold on the top shelf of newspapers under plastic wrapping for a reason.
Next.
you may be a woman, you may have slept with many women. It doesn't matter. You are not 3 billion people so you cannot speak for every woman. That is a simple fatc.
that fatc that you have shifte this debate to something of little importance and gone down to the levels of inults speaks volumes.
I amnot speaking on the vast subject of all womens sexuality. I just said some women get off when they see a picture, just like men do.
Men and women are the same speicies you do know that right? There can be similarites without it afecting the whole of women kind.
always, adv.
1. At all times; invariably: always late.
2. For all time; forever: They will always be friends.
3. At any time; in any event: You can always resign if you're unhappy.
So what about briggi and lipsy? They not count or something?
I love the way you're continuing to dig this great hole of telling women they're wrong.
I can tell you've never had a bird.
Do you agree that talking about porn in this thread can conuse the issue though?
Nope, because they're two sides of the same coin.
Now much as it's great to watch you tell women they know nothing about women, I have to go and see a man about the house I've just bought.
Toodle-bye-bye :wave:
maybe it would help if you learnt to use the English language properly
considering your lack of experience with women i would suggest you listen to us and maybe understand a bit more about female sexuality.
for many years researchers have suggested that male and female brains are different. this is the case for sexuality because men look at a photo and get really turned on and use it to wank over. women don't. how do i know? because i am female and i have mainly female friends and we talk about these things you know. im not saying that we dont have sex drives but women work differently to men. end of.
Its also a process of socialisation - which is what this thread is about really.